[Blindtlk] not the fire I intended tostart:was:Re:shouldblindpeople go barefoot?

Fri Jun 19 19:30:15 UTC 2009

You know, I reread that again, and I have to say I am darned good, in my not 
so humble opinion.
Sarah
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "gloria" <fairyfoot at webband.com>
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended 
tostart:was:Re:shouldblindpeople go barefoot?


> Sarah,
>
> It is hard to type and laugh at the same time.!
>
> Love it!
>
>
> Gloria Whipple
> Corresponding Secretary
> nfb of Wa
> Inland Empire chapter
> cell phone: 509-475-4993
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sarah Baughn
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:43 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to
> start:was:Re:shouldblindpeople go barefoot?
>
> Ding, dong, the moron's gone, the moron's gone, the moron's gone!!!  Ding,
> dong, the moron Schwartz is gone!!!!!!  Sorry.  Couldn't resist.
> Sarah
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "gloria" <fairyfoot at webband.com>
> To: "'Gary Wunder'" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "'Blind Talk Mailing List'"
> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start:
> was:Re:shouldblindpeople go barefoot?
>
>
>>I am sure happy the moron is gone!
>>
>>
>> Gloria Whipple
>> Corresponding Secretary
>> nfb of Wa
>> Inland Empire chapter
>> cell phone: 509-475-4993
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:24 AM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was:
>> Re:shouldblindpeople go barefoot?
>>
>> I don't think the problem was the humor. I think it was the insult
>> given to the list by a man who seemed to regard most of us as
>> uneducated morons.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
>> To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was: Re:
>> shouldblindpeople go barefoot?
>>
>>
>>> Why can't we have some humor once in awhile ??
>>> Steve
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:22 AM
>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was: Re: should
>>> blindpeople go barefoot?
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm afraid I agree wit Dave on this one.  I just meant this as an
>>>> innocent fun question.  I did not intend for it to become what it
>>>> has.  I maintain that either we should return to the subject of the
>>>> original thread, or, as Dave indicates below, allow it to die.  This
>>>> will most likely be the last time I try to lighten things up a bit.
>>>> It pains me to think that a question meant to lighten things up
>>>> could turn out to result in what it has.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>
>>>> "Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years
>>>> abroad you come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away
>>>> from your own land"
>>>> George Seferis
>>>>
>>>> Phone or Fax::
>>>> +1 (985) 360-3614
>>>> Cell:
>>>> +1 (985) 791-2938
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>>>> Skype Name:
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>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:41 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Everybody please drop this thread.  Jeffrey has been removed from
>>>> the list, and banned from rejoining.  This is not the first list on
>>>> which he has caused trouble.
>>>>
>>>> David Andrews
>>>>
>>>> At 07:46 PM 6/17/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>Jeff,
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't know you personally, will probably never meet you, and I
>>>>>cannot begin to tell you what incredible joy that brings me.  When
>>>>>you used the word "crap" in your post, that is a perfect description
>>>>>of your attitude.  I know I am going to hear about what I just said
>>>>>from people on the list and probably the list owner, but so be it.
>>>>>I am barefoot in my own home all the time, am not a stupid,
>>>>>uncoordinated or clumsy person.  How dare you to be so presumtuous
>>>>>about other blind people, and yes, I probably spelled that word wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>Connie Canode
>>>>>At 06:09 PM 6/17/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>>Hello Jeff. Yes, we only discuss this kind of thing when you are at
>>>>>>work, because we know under your supervision it would never be
>>>>>>tolerated. Let me point out, if I may, that not all blind people
>>>>>>are diabetics, that not all blind people stub their toes when they
>>>>>>go barefooted in the familiar surroundings of their home, and that
>>>>>>some of us do find that the ability to feel with our feet is of
>>>>>>tremendous importance when doing things such as vacuuming, mopping,
>>>>>>and, incidentally, looking for dropped change. It is not as simple
>>>>>>as saying that anyone with brains wears shoes, and anyone who is
>>>>>>blind is necessarily stupid if they don't. Get a grip!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Schwartz"
>>>>>><sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:15 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Is this the kind of crap you folks discuss when I'm at work.  I
>>>>>>>would say yes, if you happen to be blind and stupid.  In the house
>>>>>>>there is the
>>>>>>>problem of toe stubbing, etc.    Outside, who knows what kind of
>>>>>>>disgusting
>>>>>>>or dangerous thing you can step on or into.  At the beech, along
>>>>>>>the water line is nice.  Then there is the high correlation
>>>>>>>between diabetes and blindness from diabetic retinopathy.  People
>>>>>>>with diabetes have neuropathy.
>>>>>>>They lose the feelings in their extremities, like feet.  Also they
>>>>>>>don't heal well.  I had a patient who, in his home, barefoot, he
>>>>>>>stepped on a nail.  It was in his foot and became infected after
>>>>>>>a week or so.  As a consequence he lost his leg.  That must have
>>>>>>>given him a feeling of freedom.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>On
>>>>>>>Behalf Of Ron Poire
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:38 PM
>>>>>>>To: Ray Foret jr; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>>>I like going barefoot in my own home.
>>>>>>>I never thought about mopping the floor or vacuuming barefoot.  I
>>>>>>>would be afraid of stubbing my toe on something, which would ruin
>>>>>>>the whole pleasurable experience.
>>>>>>>I would definitely not go barefoot in a public place, because of
>>>>>>>diseases and toe stubbing.  Not to mention national convention,
>>>>>>>where one's feet are quite vulnerable to people's canes and
>>>>>>>sniffing dogs.
>>>>>>>It's a great comic discussion, on a par with walking barefoot in
>>>>>>>the woods.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ron Poire
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret jr"
>>>>>>><rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>To: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:19 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Especially when the floors are all completely smooth tile, as
>>>>>>>>they are in my new place.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years
>>>>>>>>abroad you come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far
>>>>>>>>away from your own land"
>>>>>>>>George Seferis
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Phone or Fax::
>>>>>>>>+1 (985) 360-3614
>>>>>>>>Cell:
>>>>>>>>+1 (985) 791-2938
>>>>>>>>e-mail:
>>>>>>>>rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>>>>>>>Skype Name:
>>>>>>>>barefootedray
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Wunder"
>>>>>>>><gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:43 AM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Vacuuming and mopping are much easier because it is easy for one
>>>>>>>>to see his/her work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Millhoff"
>>>>>>>><kmillhoff at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:31 AM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hi, you could have Robert make a TP out of this; and, yes, you
>>>>>>>>>haven't asked this question for quite some time. I would bet
>>>>>>>>>that the additional tactile and vestibular info offered by bare
>>>>>>>>>feet is valuable to blind people. to say nothing of the fact
>>>>>>>>>that shoes carry some pretty yucky stuff into the house. You
>>>>>>>>>should move to the islands where people wear shoes when
>>>>>>>>>necessary, but mostly are barefoot inside and wearing zoris
>>>>>>>>>(what you guys call flip-flops) outside. (some folks also call
>>>>>>>>>them slippers, but they're not the bedroom slipper kind).
>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>seldom find shoes that work well for me, and this includes
>>>>>>>>>Berkies and the rest.
>>>>>>>>>also, it's always summer here I'm glad to say.
>>>>>>>>>best,
>>>>>>>>>kat
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 6/17/09, Ray Foret jr <rforetjr at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>With summer practically upon us?  I just thought I'd  throw
>>>>>>>>>>this out there.
>>>>>>>>>>Should blind people go barefoot; either inside or outside?
>>>>>>>>>>It's been a couple or three years since somebody else broached
>>>>>>>>>>the subject; and so, I just thought I'd get the general
>>>>>>>>>>opinions out there.  Can it be tied in to blindness in any way?
>>>>>>>>>>IF so, why?  IF not, why?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Ray
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>morrow richer than its yesterday."
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