[Blindtlk] not the fire Iintendedtostart:was:Re:shouldblindpeople go barefoot?

Fri Jun 19 23:00:03 UTC 2009

Good.  I'm glad.
Sarah
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "gloria" <fairyfoot at webband.com>
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Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] not the fire 
Iintendedtostart:was:Re:shouldblindpeople go barefoot?


> My husband told me that he really likes it also.
>
>
> Gloria Whipple
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> Inland Empire chapter
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sarah Baughn
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 12:30 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] not the fire I
> intendedtostart:was:Re:shouldblindpeople go barefoot?
>
> You know, I reread that again, and I have to say I am darned good, in my 
> not
> so humble opinion.
> Sarah
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "gloria" <fairyfoot at webband.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended
> tostart:was:Re:shouldblindpeople go barefoot?
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>
>> Sarah,
>>
>> It is hard to type and laugh at the same time.!
>>
>> Love it!
>>
>>
>> Gloria Whipple
>> Corresponding Secretary
>> nfb of Wa
>> Inland Empire chapter
>> cell phone: 509-475-4993
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Sarah Baughn
>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:43 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to
>> start:was:Re:shouldblindpeople go barefoot?
>>
>> Ding, dong, the moron's gone, the moron's gone, the moron's gone!!!
>> Ding, dong, the moron Schwartz is gone!!!!!!  Sorry.  Couldn't resist.
>> Sarah
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "gloria" <fairyfoot at webband.com>
>> To: "'Gary Wunder'" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "'Blind Talk Mailing List'"
>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start:
>> was:Re:shouldblindpeople go barefoot?
>>
>>
>>>I am sure happy the moron is gone!
>>>
>>>
>>> Gloria Whipple
>>> Corresponding Secretary
>>> nfb of Wa
>>> Inland Empire chapter
>>> cell phone: 509-475-4993
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:24 AM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was:
>>> Re:shouldblindpeople go barefoot?
>>>
>>> I don't think the problem was the humor. I think it was the insult
>>> given to the list by a man who seemed to regard most of us as
>>> uneducated morons.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
>>> To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:47 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was: Re:
>>> shouldblindpeople go barefoot?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Why can't we have some humor once in awhile ??
>>>> Steve
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:22 AM
>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was: Re:
>>>> should blindpeople go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm afraid I agree wit Dave on this one.  I just meant this as an
>>>>> innocent fun question.  I did not intend for it to become what it
>>>>> has.  I maintain that either we should return to the subject of the
>>>>> original thread, or, as Dave indicates below, allow it to die.
>>>>> This will most likely be the last time I try to lighten things up a
> bit.
>>>>> It pains me to think that a question meant to lighten things up
>>>>> could turn out to result in what it has.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>>
>>>>> "Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years
>>>>> abroad you come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away
>>>>> from your own land"
>>>>> George Seferis
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone or Fax::
>>>>> +1 (985) 360-3614
>>>>> Cell:
>>>>> +1 (985) 791-2938
>>>>> e-mail:
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>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:41 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Everybody please drop this thread.  Jeffrey has been removed from
>>>>> the list, and banned from rejoining.  This is not the first list on
>>>>> which he has caused trouble.
>>>>>
>>>>> David Andrews
>>>>>
>>>>> At 07:46 PM 6/17/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>>Jeff,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't know you personally, will probably never meet you, and I
>>>>>>cannot begin to tell you what incredible joy that brings me.  When
>>>>>>you used the word "crap" in your post, that is a perfect
>>>>>>description of your attitude.  I know I am going to hear about what
>>>>>>I just said from people on the list and probably the list owner, but 
>>>>>>so
> be it.
>>>>>>I am barefoot in my own home all the time, am not a stupid,
>>>>>>uncoordinated or clumsy person.  How dare you to be so presumtuous
>>>>>>about other blind people, and yes, I probably spelled that word wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Connie Canode
>>>>>>At 06:09 PM 6/17/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>>>Hello Jeff. Yes, we only discuss this kind of thing when you are
>>>>>>>at work, because we know under your supervision it would never be
>>>>>>>tolerated. Let me point out, if I may, that not all blind people
>>>>>>>are diabetics, that not all blind people stub their toes when they
>>>>>>>go barefooted in the familiar surroundings of their home, and that
>>>>>>>some of us do find that the ability to feel with our feet is of
>>>>>>>tremendous importance when doing things such as vacuuming,
>>>>>>>mopping, and, incidentally, looking for dropped change. It is not
>>>>>>>as simple as saying that anyone with brains wears shoes, and
>>>>>>>anyone who is blind is necessarily stupid if they don't. Get a grip!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Gary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Schwartz"
>>>>>>><sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:15 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Is this the kind of crap you folks discuss when I'm at work.  I
>>>>>>>>would say yes, if you happen to be blind and stupid.  In the
>>>>>>>>house there is the
>>>>>>>>problem of toe stubbing, etc.    Outside, who knows what kind of
>>>>>>>>disgusting
>>>>>>>>or dangerous thing you can step on or into.  At the beech, along
>>>>>>>>the water line is nice.  Then there is the high correlation
>>>>>>>>between diabetes and blindness from diabetic retinopathy.  People
>>>>>>>>with diabetes have neuropathy.
>>>>>>>>They lose the feelings in their extremities, like feet.  Also
>>>>>>>>they don't heal well.  I had a patient who, in his home,
>>>>>>>>barefoot, he stepped on a nail.  It was in his foot and became
>>>>>>>>infected after a week or so.  As a consequence he lost his leg.
>>>>>>>>That must have given him a feeling of freedom.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>On
>>>>>>>>Behalf Of Ron Poire
>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:38 PM
>>>>>>>>To: Ray Foret jr; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>>>>I like going barefoot in my own home.
>>>>>>>>I never thought about mopping the floor or vacuuming barefoot.  I
>>>>>>>>would be afraid of stubbing my toe on something, which would ruin
>>>>>>>>the whole pleasurable experience.
>>>>>>>>I would definitely not go barefoot in a public place, because of
>>>>>>>>diseases and toe stubbing.  Not to mention national convention,
>>>>>>>>where one's feet are quite vulnerable to people's canes and
>>>>>>>>sniffing dogs.
>>>>>>>>It's a great comic discussion, on a par with walking barefoot in
>>>>>>>>the woods.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ron Poire
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret jr"
>>>>>>>><rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>To: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:19 AM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Especially when the floors are all completely smooth tile, as
>>>>>>>>>they are in my new place.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years
>>>>>>>>>abroad you come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far
>>>>>>>>>away from your own land"
>>>>>>>>>George Seferis
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Phone or Fax::
>>>>>>>>>+1 (985) 360-3614
>>>>>>>>>Cell:
>>>>>>>>>+1 (985) 791-2938
>>>>>>>>>e-mail:
>>>>>>>>>rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>>>>>>>>Skype Name:
>>>>>>>>>barefootedray
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Wunder"
>>>>>>>>><gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:43 AM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Vacuuming and mopping are much easier because it is easy for one
>>>>>>>>>to see his/her work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Millhoff"
>>>>>>>>><kmillhoff at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing 
>>>>>>>>>List"
>>>>>>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:31 AM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hi, you could have Robert make a TP out of this; and, yes, you
>>>>>>>>>>haven't asked this question for quite some time. I would bet
>>>>>>>>>>that the additional tactile and vestibular info offered by bare
>>>>>>>>>>feet is valuable to blind people. to say nothing of the fact
>>>>>>>>>>that shoes carry some pretty yucky stuff into the house. You
>>>>>>>>>>should move to the islands where people wear shoes when
>>>>>>>>>>necessary, but mostly are barefoot inside and wearing zoris
>>>>>>>>>>(what you guys call flip-flops) outside. (some folks also call
>>>>>>>>>>them slippers, but they're not the bedroom slipper kind).
>>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>seldom find shoes that work well for me, and this includes
>>>>>>>>>>Berkies and the rest.
>>>>>>>>>>also, it's always summer here I'm glad to say.
>>>>>>>>>>best,
>>>>>>>>>>kat
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On 6/17/09, Ray Foret jr <rforetjr at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>With summer practically upon us?  I just thought I'd  throw
>>>>>>>>>>>this out there.
>>>>>>>>>>>Should blind people go barefoot; either inside or outside?
>>>>>>>>>>>It's been a couple or three years since somebody else broached
>>>>>>>>>>>the subject; and so, I just thought I'd get the general
>>>>>>>>>>>opinions out there.  Can it be tied in to blindness in any way?
>>>>>>>>>>>IF so, why?  IF not, why?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Ray
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>kathy millhoff - "Let each morn be better than its eve, and
>>>>>>>>>>each morrow richer than its yesterday."
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