[Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind

Marty James blindamp at q.com
Sun May 31 04:45:55 UTC 2009 

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Marty

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" 
<blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind


>A gentleman doesn't .......
>
> Dave
>
> At 08:30 AM 5/29/2009, you wrote:
>>Okay, and so the question is just out there as big as day - did you have a 
>>good time with Jennifer?
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:48 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>
>>
>>>What phone I was talking to myself (smile.)
>>>
>>>I was at a technology conference a couple years ago, and walking to a 
>>>second hotel to visit a woman named Jennifer.  Some guy was going the 
>>>other way on the sidewalk, and as he got within a couple feet of me I 
>>>heard him say "I hope you have a good time with Jennifer!"  I of course 
>>>thought -- how did he know -- until I figured out he was talking on his 
>>>cell phone.
>>>
>>>Dave
>>>
>>>At 10:58 PM 5/26/2009, you wrote:
>>>>When cellphones were still a bit of a novelty, I walked into the
>>>>National Center for the Blind to attend an R&D Committee meeting and
>>>>encountered Curtis Chong and David Andrews. Each of us thought he was
>>>>talking to one or both of the other two; turns out all three of us were
>>>>carrying on separate cellphone conversations!
>>>>
>>>>Mike Freeman
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:37 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes, that happens to me too. Another funny thing that happens in that
>>>>regard
>>>>is to be walking down the hallway, hear somebody talking a few yards
>>>>away,
>>>>try intensely to figure out where the person is they are talking with,
>>>>and
>>>>then realize they are talking on the telephone and there's no one to
>>>>avoid
>>>>but them.
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "dewey bradley" <dewey.bradley at gmail.com>
>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:29 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Also when someone is on the phone, and you think they are speaking to
>>>> > you.
>>>> > I'm shore we all get that.
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>>>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:21 PM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> Diane,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I am not a person who readily hugs or touches others.  But, I don't
>>>> >> mind
>>>> >> if
>>>> >> someone touches my arm or wants a hug.  I think, when it comes to
>>>> >> someone,
>>>> >> like a waitress speaking, it would be easier if they would touch a
>>>> >> shoulder
>>>> >> or my hand.  There have been times when someone is talking to me, 
>>>> >> but
>>>> >> I
>>>> >> didn't know it, or they might have been talking to someone else, 
>>>> >> near
>>>> >> me,
>>>> >> and I respond.  That's sometimes difficult.  Most of the time, you
>>>> >> can
>>>> >> tell
>>>> >> if someone is looking toward you when they're speaking.  But, if
>>>> >> there's
>>>> >> someone else, in the same direction, it's hard to know, 
>>>> >> specifically,
>>>> >> who
>>>> >> they're looking at.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> This is turning out to be a very interesting topic.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Cindy
>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:41 AM
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> HI Paul,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> This is an interesting topic and it also gets pretty complicated, at
>>>> >> least where I am concerned.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> As far as your question about making that initial contact, I would
>>>> >> say
>>>> >> it is very appropriate.  I would most certainly prefer a light touch
>>>> >> on
>>>> >> my shoulder than having someone talk to someone who is with me,
>>>> >> inquiring as to what I might like to order, as if I weren't there, 
>>>> >> or
>>>> >> as
>>>> >> if I were a child.  I do not  object to this at all.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I have noted in this discussion that there are several people who
>>>> >> have
>>>> >> said they don't like to be touched.  I have the opposite problem.
>>>> >> Whether it has anything to do with blindness or not, I really don't
>>>> >> know, but I am a person who is tactile, and or affectionate with
>>>> >> people
>>>> >> that I know.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> This is gotten me crossways with several people, as I have learned,
>>>> >> sometimes the hard way, that some of us don't' appreciate being
>>>> >> touched.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> As a tactile person myself, that is something that I have a real 
>>>> >> hard
>>>> >> time fathoming or remembering.  I don't grab and cling to strangers
>>>> >> by
>>>> >> any means, but when there is a person who I know, like or associate
>>>> >> with, it is not uncommon for me to reach out and want to hug someone
>>>> >> or
>>>> >> look at their hairstyle, or place a hand gently on their arm or
>>>> >> shoulder
>>>> >> when speaking to them.  I also welcome warm handshakes, hugs, and 
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> like from those whom I consider friends and associates. I have had 
>>>> >> to
>>>> >> learn that some people object to this, and it isn't always easy to
>>>> >> remember.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Now, like I said, it gets complicated, because  what I do object to
>>>> >> is
>>>> >> those well meaning sighted people, many of them strangers, who want
>>>> >> to
>>>> >> grab me or my clothes or coat or whatever, thinking that they are
>>>> >> helping to guide me or saving me from falling off a curb or 
>>>> >> something
>>>> >> like that.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> There is a lady who does this every day at the bus stop in the
>>>> >> evening,
>>>> >> and I just want to slap her sometimes.  They wouldn't take liberties
>>>> >> with and/or manhandle a sighted person like that, and I do not
>>>> >> appreciate it either.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Diane Graves
>>>> >> Civil Rights Specialist
>>>> >> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>> >> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>> >> 317-232-2647
>>>> >>
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>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> >> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> >> On Behalf Of Weingartner, Paul
>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:02 AM
>>>> >> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>> >>
>>>> >> This is an interesting topic that is very helpful because of the
>>>> >> candidness of the respondents.  Because of that I would like to ask 
>>>> >> a
>>>> >> question.
>>>> >> Sighted people use eye contact to initiate communication. 
>>>> >> Obviously,
>>>> >> that does not work for initiating communication with a person who is
>>>> >> blind.  That is why it is awkward for a waitress in a restaurant or
>>>> >> for
>>>> >> a stranger in a mall to make first contact in a way to know the
>>>> >> speaker
>>>> >> is addressing the person who is blind.
>>>> >> A number of totally blind friends recommend a light quick touch to
>>>> >> let
>>>> >> them know they are the person being addressed, so that is what I
>>>> >> recommend.  I was wondering what some or you think.
>>>> >> Also, many people who are totally blind like to hold and cling 
>>>> >> during
>>>> >> a
>>>> >> conversation.  That can get pretty awkward and down right
>>>> >> embarrassing a
>>>> >> times.
>>>> >> I would appreciate your thoughts.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Paul Weingartner
>>>> >> Making the Cross Accessible
>>>> >> Center for the Blind of the Assemblies of God
>>>> >> P 417.831.1964   F 417.862.5120
>>>> >> www.blind.ag.org
>>>> >> www.blindonline.ag.org
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> >> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> >> On Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:47 AM
>>>> >> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It has nothing to do with blindness in my case.  I just hate being
>>>> >> touched.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Steve
>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >> From: "dewey bradley" <dewey.bradley at gmail.com>
>>>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 8:40 PM
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Allot of sighted people think that they can't talk to us without
>>>> >> putting
>>>> >>> there hands on us.
>>>> >>> The thing is allot of people like my self really hate to be 
>>>> >>> touched,
>>>> >> When
>>>> >>> we
>>>> >>> ask them to please take there hands off, they get mad.
>>>> >>> I guess there is no across the board answer for things like this.
>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
>>>> >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:42 AM
>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> This is a very complicated topic.  There are those, like me, who
>>>> >> don't
>>>> >>>> like being touched during conversations with individuals I really
>>>> >> don't
>>>> >>>> know very well.  I'm wondering if blind individuals understand
>>>> >> spacial
>>>> >>>> concepts during conversations.  You don't want to be too close
>>>> >>>> during
>>>> >> a
>>>> >>>> conversation or too far away.  I suspect most of us who understand
>>>> >> this
>>>> >>>> art have had some coaching from sighted individuals whom they
>>>> >>>> trust.
>>>> >>>> \
>>>> >>>> Steve
>>>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>>> From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net>
>>>> >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:46 PM
>>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>I was raised giving and receiving warm hand shakes, or in some
>>>> >>>>> situations, embraces and or kisses, all of which seem to me to be
>>>> >>>>> quite germ spreading!  I like the bowing idea a lot!
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>>>>>From: Joel Zimba <jzimba at cavtel.net
>>>> >>>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>> >>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:08:35 -0400
>>>> >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>Hi,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>I love these kinds of topics.  I believe the issue of blind or
>>>> >>>>> sighted
>>>> >>>>>>is mostly meaningless when it comes to whether you should touch
>>>> >>>>> someone
>>>> >>>>>>or not.  It comes down more to how comfortable you are with what
>>>> >>>>> you are
>>>> >>>>>>doing and your motivation for it.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>The examples of folks talking with their hands is a great one.
>>>> >>>>> It's not
>>>> >>>>>>so much that they talk with their hands, but that touching is a
>>>> >>>>> means of
>>>> >>>>>>communication.  In fact, if you are comfortable enough with
>>>> >>>>> yurself to
>>>> >>>>>>touch someone else while speaking to them, you'll pull them into
>>>> >>>>> your
>>>> >>>>>>paradigm.  This is common wisdom in the sales world.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>For the blind among us, (myself included) this is most easily
>>>> >>>>> donw with
>>>> >>>>>>the back of the hand and making solid contact.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>When it comes to shaking hands, I decided to take the initiative
>>>> >>>>> early
>>>> >>>>>>and often.  When someone doesn't take my hand, I leave it out
>>>> >>>>> there and
>>>> >>>>>>then eventually start snapping my fingers.  This calls attention
>>>> >>>>> to the
>>>> >>>>>>fact that the other people are not playing the social game.  I
>>>> >>>>> was
>>>> >>>>>>taught that it is not obligatory for women to shake hands.  Long
>>>> >>>>> ago I
>>>> >>>>>>decided that if women want equal rights, they can do the glad
>>>> >>>>> handing as
>>>> >>>>>>well, so I expect them to shake and I do the snapping as well.  I
>>>> >>>>>>sometimes let the elderly off the hook, though oddly, the older
>>>> >>>>> someone
>>>> >>>>>>is, the more likely they are to initiate or take my hand.  Proper
>>>> >>>>>>conduct seems to not always be taught to the younger generation.
>>>> >>>>> Maybe
>>>> >>>>>>we all need to go back to finishing school.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>Now, if someone could explain the bowing protocol to me so that
>>>> >>>>> my Asian
>>>> >>>>>>friends would be surprised and pleased by my manners, I would be
>>>> >>>>> very
>>>> >>>>>>greatful.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>Joel
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>On 5/23/2009 12:40 PM, Jeffrey Schwartz wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Gerardo,
>>>> >>>>>>> I am also blind as a result of RP and a clinical psychologist.
>>>> >>>>> My vision
>>>> >>>>>>> deteriorated at a different pace.  I drove a car until I was 27
>>>> >>>>> and did not
>>>> >>>>>>> require adaptive technology to read and write until I was about
>>>> >>>>> 40.  Now, at
>>>> >>>>>>> 61, I have little more than light perception.  When younger, I
>>>> >>>>> was often
>>>> >>>>>>> embarrassed when my wife kindly noted that someone was reaching
>>>> >>>>> out to shake
>>>> >>>>>>> my hand and I was not noticing.  Eventually, I learned to avoid
>>>> >>>>> this problem
>>>> >>>>>>> by taking the initiative.  On occasion I reach out to discover
>>>> >>>>> that the
>>>> >>>>>>> person has quickly turned their back or departed, no big deal.
>>>> >>>>> I have had
>>>> >>>>>>> no experience with the touching.  There are cultural 
>>>> >>>>>>> differences
>>>> >>>>> in such
>>>> >>>>>>> nonverbal behaviors.  For example, cultures vary in terms of
>>>> >>>>> what is
>>>> >>>>>>> regarded as personal space.  Groups vary in terms of how close
>>>> >>>>> they stand to
>>>> >>>>>>> each other when speaking, and also with regard to touching 
>>>> >>>>>>> which
>>>> >>>>> is common
>>>> >>>>>>> in some cultures and taboo in others.  Perhaps your blindness
>>>> >>>>> has led you to
>>>> >>>>>>> exceed what is common in your culture or your parents may have
>>>> >>>>> felt bad for
>>>> >>>>>>> you when they saw you reach out to touch someone and the person
>>>> >>>>> had
>>>> >>>>>>> departed.  There are also a group of behaviors known as
>>>> >>>>> blindisms.  We all
>>>> >>>>>>> conduct little rituals of personal hygiene when alone which we
>>>> >>>>> would not do
>>>> >>>>>>> in front of others.  There is a tendency, particularly if one
>>>> >>>>> loses their
>>>> >>>>>>> vision gradually to assume that others see as we do.  I am 
>>>> >>>>>>> often
>>>> >>>>> surprised
>>>> >>>>>>> by what others can see.  We assume that if we can't see
>>>> >>>>> something others can
>>>> >>>>>>> not either.  This can lead us to embarrass ourselves by
>>>> >>>>> performing these
>>>> >>>>>>> grooming rituals in public.  Recently, I have noticed that when
>>>> >>>>> I am walking
>>>> >>>>>>> and thinking about a conversation which I had or will have with
>>>> >>>>> someone, I
>>>> >>>>>>> am moving my lips as if I were speaking.  I am working on
>>>> >>>>> suppressing this
>>>> >>>>>>> behavior as I am certain that the sighted would see it as
>>>> >>>>> strange.  Behavior
>>>> >>>>>>> is so ritualized, and blindness can lead us to engage in some
>>>> >>>>> peculiar ones.
>>>> >>>>>>> As professionals, in particular, we don't want to be seen as 
>>>> >>>>>>> odd
>>>> >>>>> or
>>>> >>>>>>> idiosyncratic.
>>>> >>>>>>> Jeff
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> >>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> >>>>>>> Behalf Of Cindy Handel
>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 9:55 AM
>>>> >>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings;Behaviors in adults blind
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Gerardo,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Most of the time, when I would like to shake the hand of a
>>>> >>>>> sighted person, I
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> just extend my hand and they grasp it and we shake hands.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> As far as touching the arm of people, I've never done this.
>>>> >>>>> When do you do
>>>> >>>>>>> this?  If you're talking with someone, it shouldn't be
>>>> >>>>> necessary, since
>>>> >>>>>>> they're participating in the conversation.  I think we've all
>>>> >>>>> experienced a
>>>> >>>>>>> time when we're talking to someone and learn that they walked
>>>> >>>>> away.  Now, if
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> you're referring to touching a person's arm to make sure 
>>>> >>>>>>> they're
>>>> >>>>> still there
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> as a way to insure that you still have their attention, that's
>>>> >>>>> something
>>>> >>>>>>> different.  I have met sighted people who talk with their hands
>>>> >>>>> and touch my
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> arm or shoulder, for emphasis.  So, that might not be so
>>>> >>>>> unusual.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Cindy
>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Gerardo Corripio"<gera1027 at prodigy.net.mx
>>>> >>>>>>> To: "Blind-Talk"<blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:35 PM
>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Greetings;Behaviors in adults blind
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Hi listers:
>>>> >>>>>>> I'm Gerardo from Mexico; 31 years old and a Psychologist 
>>>> >>>>>>> working
>>>> >>>>> on my own
>>>> >>>>>>> in my private practice.
>>>> >>>>>>> Hopefully I'll be able to learn lots of great things from you
>>>> >>>>> guys,
>>>> >>>>>>> especially of the NFB way of viewing and living with blindness.
>>>> >>>>>>> Now for my debut question: I've been blind all my life due to
>>>> >>>>> RP; since I
>>>> >>>>>>> was a teenager I remember developing a habbit of touching the
>>>> >>>>> arm of the
>>>> >>>>>>> people constanly to be sure he/she was still there.  I 
>>>> >>>>>>> continued
>>>> >>>>> to do this
>>>> >>>>>>> into adulthood until my family made the observation that this
>>>> >>>>> behavior isn't
>>>> >>>>>>> seen well by the sighted only a few days ago.  I'm still 
>>>> >>>>>>> shocked
>>>> >>>>> by this
>>>> >>>>>>> observation to the point that now how to know if the person is
>>>> >>>>> still there?
>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, the voice gives feedback but when people talk it feels as
>>>> >>>>> if they're
>>>> >>>>>>> there but aren't there.  How have you coped with this situation
>>>> >>>>> in that you
>>>> >>>>>>> have to get rid of the habbit before-mentioned? Surely it has
>>>> >>>>> happened to
>>>> >>>>>>> some of you?
>>>> >>>>>>> also when shaking hands with sighted people how to find the 
>>>> >>>>>>> hand
>>>> >>>>> to shake if
>>>> >>>>>>> the sighted person doesn't take the initiative?
>>>> >>>>>>> As you can see I've still have lots of tips and tricks to learn
>>>> >>>>> about
>>>> >>>>>>> blindness, thus my interest in joining the list.
>>>> >>>>>>> Gerardo
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
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