[Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
Steve P. Deeley
stevep.deeley at insightbb.com
Thu Aug 26 00:43:18 UTC 2010
Jaws and window-eyes have a very limited market and really can't be used by
the general population. What Apple is doing with voice over can be used by
a large, general market. All sorts of sighted individuals will use the
voice over features.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
<blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
> hi,
>
> if you really believe that theory, look how jaws software has never
> decreased a penny since 1995.
>
> Bryan Schulz
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
>
>
>> Bryan,
>> Though the car is expensive now, perhaps it will not be so much after
>> the R&D is recouped. In addition, it may not ever be something I will see
>> manifested in my lifetime, but perhaps in my blind nephew's lifetime.
>> Furthermore, as the blind gain the independence that comes from this sort
>> of technology, other forms of technology that will level the playing
>> field
>> for us may come out of it!
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion Gwizdala
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
>>
>>
>>> yea right,
>>> if she can barely get by now how is she supposed to take an extra
>>> mortgage to help cover a 75+k car?
>>> are our heads in the sand?
>>>
>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello Mary and everyone,
>>>>
>>>> This is exactly why the Blind Driver Challenge is so important and a
>>>> project to be persued now. If you didn't see it earlier here is the
>>>> link
>>>> for
>>>> the new Blind Driver Challenge Web Site:
>>>> http://www.blinddriverchallenge.org
>>>>
>>>> I've all ready linked our chapter Web site to it and will add the
>>>> link
>>>> to our home page. What really thrills me is the vast amount of content
>>>> all
>>>> ready on the site and not a single page on witch do the words "Coming
>>>> Soon"
>>>> appear. Great work Jernigan Institute and NFB!
>>>>
>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mari Hunziker" <marihunziker at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 1:55 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have gotten to the point that I would rather sit at home and do
>>>> nothing
>>>> than ask someone for a ride. Some people get so frustrated or seem to
>>>> be
>>>> bothered by having to help me out sometimes. Yesterday, I paid a friend
>>>> $30
>>>> dollars in gas money to drive my son home from school. My 1st grade
>>>> son,
>>>> is
>>>> not eligible to ride the school bus because his elementary school only
>>>> offers busing to kids with special needs. I asked for special
>>>> accommodations
>>>> for our situation and they were not able to help. I paid the my friend
>>>> because I could not see myself walking 1.75 miles to the school and
>>>> back
>>>> another 1.75 miles back in 105 degree heat. I told the district
>>>> transportation manager that when the heat index is so dangerously hot
>>>> it
>>>> should be mandatory that kids get rides home somehow. It breaks my
>>>> heart
>>>> that kids have to walk, ride their bike, etc home in that heat. My
>>>> transportation needs have been met by a kind friend willing to drive
>>>> out
>>>> of
>>>> her way to bring my son home. I was so blessed the last couple of years
>>>> to
>>>> have a friend in my neighborhood be willing to carpool with us. My
>>>> husband
>>>> drove the kids in the morning and she brought them home after school.
>>>> It
>>>> was
>>>> great. But of course things always change and we (I) must learn to deal
>>>> with
>>>> it like I am trying to. I just signed my 2 year old daughter up for
>>>> Dance
>>>> class and then called up CARTS to arrange a ride. So happy they can
>>>> take
>>>> us
>>>> and charge us $3 each way. We will see how it goes. I wish visually
>>>> impaired
>>>> / blind people received a living expense stipend like they do in
>>>> Canada.
>>>> It
>>>> would be so helpful for those of us living on a budget and for those of
>>>> us,
>>>> like myself who live in the suburbs with no public nor para transit
>>>> system.
>>>>
>>>> You all are fabulous. Thanks for all of the words of wisdom posted on
>>>> here.
>>>> I love it.
>>>>
>>>> Mari Hunziker
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Marion Gwizdala
>>>> <blind411 at verizon.net>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Diane,
>>>>> I also find it interesting that people are "amazed" that it might
>>>>> take
>>>>> us
>>>>> 2 hours to get somewhere that, by car, only takes 30 minutes. They
>>>>> also
>>>>> express concern over how much a taxicab cost. I point out to them that
>>>>> I
>>>>> get
>>>>> a lot of work done on my commutes by making telephone calls and doing
>>>>> writing. I also share with them the comparitive savings of taxicabs,
>>>>> when
>>>>> necessary, and public transportation for regular, everyday needs, as
>>>>> opposed
>>>>> to a $300 car payment, $500 insurance payment, $200/month gas budget,
>>>>> not
>>>>> to
>>>>> mention tune-ups, oil changes, tires and rotations, etc.
>>>>> I generally use the public transportation fixed route system for
>>>>> most
>>>>> of
>>>>> my travel needs, Para transit when necessary, and taxicabs for those
>>>>> times
>>>>> when neither of those forms of transportation are viable, e.g.
>>>>> inclement
>>>>> weather, gigs where I need to take my sound gear, and entertainment
>>>>> that
>>>>> gets out after the buses stop running! I guess it's all a matter of
>>>>> perspective!
>>>>>
>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graves, Diane"
>>>>> <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>>>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:49 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grilling question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Mary,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You know it's funny. Another thing that came to mind after I sent my
>>>>>> post
>>>>>> was my amazement at how frustrated I've seen some sighted people get,
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> they have to hop into the driver's seat and take a 15 minute ride in
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> car, to go somewhere that they weren't planning to go. Maybe to run
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> errand to the grocery store, or go pick up a child, or take a child's
>>>>>> friend
>>>>>> home. It just blows me away. I'm like "give me a break."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My sister-in-law is like that. She always wants me to come out into
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> suburbs to her house, but never wants to come into the city to pick
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> visit me. I'm thinking, "hey lady, you're the one who drives!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But see, even if you are sighted you get locked into a routine, and
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> frustrated by the little unexpected inconveniences that come up.
>>>>>> Inconveniences that seem almost ridiculous to a blind person who
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> love
>>>>>> to be able to drive independently and take care of some of those
>>>>>> things
>>>>>> without the hassle of planning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Diane Graves
>>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>>> 317-232-2647
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>>>>> George Washington Carver
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Mari Hunziker
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:23 AM
>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grilling question
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Diane and Gary,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your words of wisdom have left me to ponder about what the Lord has
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> store
>>>>>> for me as a mother of two wonderful children. I know that I was given
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> opportunity for a reason. I know that being visually impaired will
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> enhance my life. Yes, Diane I wish as well that I could spend $1000
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> afternoon and not think twice. Being financially secure does help
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> life
>>>>>> a bit more comfortable but not necessarily happier. It takes a lot
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> self
>>>>>> assurance of oneself to be happy. That is what I think my real issue
>>>>>> is.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> want to be happy with all that I have. I am most of the time. Its
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> emotional roller coaster that I don't enjoy riding at times. But for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> most part life is good. Thank you for your words of wisdom. I really
>>>>>> appreciate it.
>>>>>> Mari Hunziker
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Graves, Diane <dgraves at icrc.in.gov>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Mary,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, please know that I do understand your feelings and
>>>>>>> frustrations
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> too well. I have definitely been there before, and occasionally
>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>> there. I think there was a lot of wisdom to be found in Gary's post,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>> I'll just second it with a couple of points.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't care how well adjusted and accomplished you are as a blind
>>>>>>> person,
>>>>>>> there are times when having sight would simply be more convenient.
>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>> get frustrating sometimes. But if you think about it, this is true
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>> areas of our lives. I often find myself feeling envious of those who
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>> shopping, spend $1000 in an afternoon, and not think twice about it,
>>>>>>> while I
>>>>>>> am struggling to make sure all of the bills are paid. I am
>>>>>>> frustrated
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> the members of congress charged with making our tax and economic
>>>>>>> decisions,
>>>>>>> are the people making more money than most of us will ever see.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am often disgusted by the women who complain and refer to
>>>>>>> themselves
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> "fat" because they can't fit into a size 4 dress, when I would give
>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>> to see a size 14 again
>>>>>>> . These are just some small, maybe silly, examples, but my point is
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> blindness is just one of the many frustrations that life has to
>>>>>>> offer.
>>>>>>> Life
>>>>>>> has dealt us all a partial deck of cards, and we just have to learn
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> play
>>>>>>> the best game we can with the cards that we've been dealt. But, as
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> skilled card player knows, the more you practice, the more skilled
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> become.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just know that while you are concerned about transportation issues
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> school is concerned, some other mother is agonizing over how she is
>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> get new shoes for her child, or pay for the after school childcare.
>>>>>>> Another
>>>>>>> mother is worried about how she is going to get her wayward,
>>>>>>> rebellious
>>>>>>> teenager through high school in one piece, and on and on. This is
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> say that your concerns aren't frustrating and understandable. Please
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> think that that is what I am saying at all. I'm just saying that the
>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>> community is not the only population that encounters these
>>>>>>> frustrations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope this makes a little bit of sense, at least. Gary did a much
>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>> job than I. If you are able to attend an NFB Training Center I
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> would be great for you. It is always something that I wanted to do,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> never had the opportunity. All the reports I have heard though have
>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>> amazing, and, if nothing else, it would offer you support and build
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> level of self confidence. I know that having a child would pose
>>>>>>> concerns
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> this area too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Feel free to vent to us any time. We are all here to help you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (big cyber hug for you)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Diane Graves
>>>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>>>> 317-232-2647
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>>>>>> George Washington Carver
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>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mari Hunziker
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:13 PM
>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grilling question
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you so much for sharing that Mike. I would love to learn more
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> the NFB centers. I am now needing more assistance in finding
>>>>>>> creative
>>>>>>> ways
>>>>>>> of finding transportation for my son to get to and from school each
>>>>>>> day.
>>>>>>> Not
>>>>>>> being able to drive or to do other things is a constant struggle. I
>>>>>>> wish
>>>>>>> there was someway to get over the emotional roller coaster I ride
>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>> day.
>>>>>>> Some days thinking its a blessing to be blind and other days it is a
>>>>>>> curse.
>>>>>>> How have you all gotten over this?
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Mari Hunziker
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > As a matter of fact, one of the things done at our NFB centers is
>>>>>>> > to
>>>>>>> > do
>>>>>>> > some grilling and other chores that involve working with fire
>>>>>>> > precisely
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> > get people over their fear of being burned. It's not thatanyone
>>>>>>> > wishes
>>>>>>> > to
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> > burned but (a) blindness doesn't increase one's risks assuming one
>>>>>>> > is
>>>>>>> > careful and (b) we want to turn that fear into what might be
>>>>>>> > termed
>>>>>>> healthy
>>>>>>> > respect for fire which still allows one to work with it. At the
>>>>>>> > end
>>>>>>> > of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > day, it becomes another lesson that blindness need not prevent us
>>>>>>> > from
>>>>>>> > leading normal lives.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Mike
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews"
>>>>>>> > <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>>>> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 1:22 PM
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grilling question
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > A totally blind person can grill or smoke. i have a gas grill,
>>>>>>> > and a
>>>>>>> >> large off-set smoker and use them regularly. I have also grilled
>>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>>> >> charcoal -- although the gas grill is easier.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> There are lots of techniques to do stuff. One good source is our
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>> >> cooks list
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-cooks_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Dave
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> p.s. You mentioned a "fear of getting burned." Just like with
>>>>>>> >> an
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> oven,
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> >> pot of boiling water, a gas stove etc., you can get burned if you
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> >> stuff carefully and correctly, but like with the other things
>>>>>>> >> there
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> >> ways.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> At 08:42 AM 8/24/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>> Was anyone of you grillers afraid of the fire and the potential
>>>>>>> >>> for
>>>>>>> >>> getting
>>>>>>> >>> burned. That is what keeps me from doing it. We have a charcoal
>>>>>>> >>> grill/smoker. My brother, father and husband have mastered the
>>>>>>> >>> great
>>>>>>> >>> taste
>>>>>>> >>> of grilled food. I have always thought that I could not grill or
>>>>>>> >>> do
>>>>>>> >>> things
>>>>>>> >>> of that nature because I am blind(visually impaired). I now
>>>>>>> >>> think
>>>>>>> >>> it
>>>>>>> >>> might
>>>>>>> >>> just be a fear of getting burned. I do cook fairly well in
>>>>>>> >>> doors,
>>>>>>> >>> I
>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>> >>> thought about trying it outdoors. The next time we grill out. I
>>>>>>> >>> will
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> >>> to
>>>>>>> >>> pay more attention on how it is done so that I may someday try
>>>>>>> >>> it.
>>>>>>> >>> Who
>>>>>>> >>> knows, I may like doing it.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com
>>>>>>> >> Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
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