[Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
Bryan Schulz
b.schulz at sbcglobal.net
Thu Aug 26 01:14:43 UTC 2010
hi,
the talking feature of an apple device can be appreciated by both blind and
sighted.
the comparrison was the automated car and jaws.
tell me what sighted person is going to pay at least double for a car that
talks when they don't have to.
Bryan Schulz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
> Jaws and window-eyes have a very limited market and really can't be used
> by
> the general population. What Apple is doing with voice over can be used
> by
> a large, general market. All sorts of sighted individuals will use the
> voice over features.
>
> Steve
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
>
>
>> hi,
>>
>> if you really believe that theory, look how jaws software has never
>> decreased a penny since 1995.
>>
>> Bryan Schulz
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
>>
>>
>>> Bryan,
>>> Though the car is expensive now, perhaps it will not be so much after
>>> the R&D is recouped. In addition, it may not ever be something I will
>>> see
>>> manifested in my lifetime, but perhaps in my blind nephew's lifetime.
>>> Furthermore, as the blind gain the independence that comes from this
>>> sort
>>> of technology, other forms of technology that will level the playing
>>> field
>>> for us may come out of it!
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
>>>
>>>
>>>> yea right,
>>>> if she can barely get by now how is she supposed to take an extra
>>>> mortgage to help cover a 75+k car?
>>>> are our heads in the sand?
>>>>
>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:19 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Mary and everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> This is exactly why the Blind Driver Challenge is so important and
>>>>> a
>>>>> project to be persued now. If you didn't see it earlier here is the
>>>>> link
>>>>> for
>>>>> the new Blind Driver Challenge Web Site:
>>>>> http://www.blinddriverchallenge.org
>>>>>
>>>>> I've all ready linked our chapter Web site to it and will add the
>>>>> link
>>>>> to our home page. What really thrills me is the vast amount of content
>>>>> all
>>>>> ready on the site and not a single page on witch do the words "Coming
>>>>> Soon"
>>>>> appear. Great work Jernigan Institute and NFB!
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mari Hunziker" <marihunziker at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing
>>>>> List"
>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 1:55 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have gotten to the point that I would rather sit at home and do
>>>>> nothing
>>>>> than ask someone for a ride. Some people get so frustrated or seem to
>>>>> be
>>>>> bothered by having to help me out sometimes. Yesterday, I paid a
>>>>> friend
>>>>> $30
>>>>> dollars in gas money to drive my son home from school. My 1st grade
>>>>> son,
>>>>> is
>>>>> not eligible to ride the school bus because his elementary school only
>>>>> offers busing to kids with special needs. I asked for special
>>>>> accommodations
>>>>> for our situation and they were not able to help. I paid the my friend
>>>>> because I could not see myself walking 1.75 miles to the school and
>>>>> back
>>>>> another 1.75 miles back in 105 degree heat. I told the district
>>>>> transportation manager that when the heat index is so dangerously hot
>>>>> it
>>>>> should be mandatory that kids get rides home somehow. It breaks my
>>>>> heart
>>>>> that kids have to walk, ride their bike, etc home in that heat. My
>>>>> transportation needs have been met by a kind friend willing to drive
>>>>> out
>>>>> of
>>>>> her way to bring my son home. I was so blessed the last couple of
>>>>> years
>>>>> to
>>>>> have a friend in my neighborhood be willing to carpool with us. My
>>>>> husband
>>>>> drove the kids in the morning and she brought them home after school.
>>>>> It
>>>>> was
>>>>> great. But of course things always change and we (I) must learn to
>>>>> deal
>>>>> with
>>>>> it like I am trying to. I just signed my 2 year old daughter up for
>>>>> Dance
>>>>> class and then called up CARTS to arrange a ride. So happy they can
>>>>> take
>>>>> us
>>>>> and charge us $3 each way. We will see how it goes. I wish visually
>>>>> impaired
>>>>> / blind people received a living expense stipend like they do in
>>>>> Canada.
>>>>> It
>>>>> would be so helpful for those of us living on a budget and for those
>>>>> of
>>>>> us,
>>>>> like myself who live in the suburbs with no public nor para transit
>>>>> system.
>>>>>
>>>>> You all are fabulous. Thanks for all of the words of wisdom posted on
>>>>> here.
>>>>> I love it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mari Hunziker
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Marion Gwizdala
>>>>> <blind411 at verizon.net>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Diane,
>>>>>> I also find it interesting that people are "amazed" that it might
>>>>>> take
>>>>>> us
>>>>>> 2 hours to get somewhere that, by car, only takes 30 minutes. They
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> express concern over how much a taxicab cost. I point out to them
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> a lot of work done on my commutes by making telephone calls and doing
>>>>>> writing. I also share with them the comparitive savings of taxicabs,
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> necessary, and public transportation for regular, everyday needs, as
>>>>>> opposed
>>>>>> to a $300 car payment, $500 insurance payment, $200/month gas budget,
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> mention tune-ups, oil changes, tires and rotations, etc.
>>>>>> I generally use the public transportation fixed route system for
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> my travel needs, Para transit when necessary, and taxicabs for those
>>>>>> times
>>>>>> when neither of those forms of transportation are viable, e.g.
>>>>>> inclement
>>>>>> weather, gigs where I need to take my sound gear, and entertainment
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> gets out after the buses stop running! I guess it's all a matter of
>>>>>> perspective!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graves, Diane"
>>>>>> <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>>>>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:49 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grilling question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Mary,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You know it's funny. Another thing that came to mind after I sent my
>>>>>>> post
>>>>>>> was my amazement at how frustrated I've seen some sighted people
>>>>>>> get,
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>> they have to hop into the driver's seat and take a 15 minute ride in
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> car, to go somewhere that they weren't planning to go. Maybe to run
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> errand to the grocery store, or go pick up a child, or take a
>>>>>>> child's
>>>>>>> friend
>>>>>>> home. It just blows me away. I'm like "give me a break."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My sister-in-law is like that. She always wants me to come out into
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> suburbs to her house, but never wants to come into the city to pick
>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> visit me. I'm thinking, "hey lady, you're the one who drives!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But see, even if you are sighted you get locked into a routine, and
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> frustrated by the little unexpected inconveniences that come up.
>>>>>>> Inconveniences that seem almost ridiculous to a blind person who
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>> to be able to drive independently and take care of some of those
>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>> without the hassle of planning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Diane Graves
>>>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>>>> 317-232-2647
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>>>>>> George Washington Carver
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mari Hunziker
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:23 AM
>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grilling question
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you Diane and Gary,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your words of wisdom have left me to ponder about what the Lord has
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> store
>>>>>>> for me as a mother of two wonderful children. I know that I was
>>>>>>> given
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> opportunity for a reason. I know that being visually impaired will
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> enhance my life. Yes, Diane I wish as well that I could spend $1000
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> afternoon and not think twice. Being financially secure does help
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>> life
>>>>>>> a bit more comfortable but not necessarily happier. It takes a lot
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> self
>>>>>>> assurance of oneself to be happy. That is what I think my real issue
>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> want to be happy with all that I have. I am most of the time. Its
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> emotional roller coaster that I don't enjoy riding at times. But for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> most part life is good. Thank you for your words of wisdom. I really
>>>>>>> appreciate it.
>>>>>>> Mari Hunziker
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Graves, Diane <dgraves at icrc.in.gov>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Mary,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First, please know that I do understand your feelings and
>>>>>>>> frustrations
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> too well. I have definitely been there before, and occasionally
>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>> there. I think there was a lot of wisdom to be found in Gary's
>>>>>>>> post,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>> I'll just second it with a couple of points.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't care how well adjusted and accomplished you are as a blind
>>>>>>>> person,
>>>>>>>> there are times when having sight would simply be more convenient.
>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>> get frustrating sometimes. But if you think about it, this is true
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>> areas of our lives. I often find myself feeling envious of those
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>> shopping, spend $1000 in an afternoon, and not think twice about
>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>> while I
>>>>>>>> am struggling to make sure all of the bills are paid. I am
>>>>>>>> frustrated
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> the members of congress charged with making our tax and economic
>>>>>>>> decisions,
>>>>>>>> are the people making more money than most of us will ever see.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am often disgusted by the women who complain and refer to
>>>>>>>> themselves
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> "fat" because they can't fit into a size 4 dress, when I would give
>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>> to see a size 14 again
>>>>>>>> . These are just some small, maybe silly, examples, but my point
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> blindness is just one of the many frustrations that life has to
>>>>>>>> offer.
>>>>>>>> Life
>>>>>>>> has dealt us all a partial deck of cards, and we just have to learn
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> play
>>>>>>>> the best game we can with the cards that we've been dealt. But, as
>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> skilled card player knows, the more you practice, the more skilled
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> become.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just know that while you are concerned about transportation issues
>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>> school is concerned, some other mother is agonizing over how she is
>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> get new shoes for her child, or pay for the after school childcare.
>>>>>>>> Another
>>>>>>>> mother is worried about how she is going to get her wayward,
>>>>>>>> rebellious
>>>>>>>> teenager through high school in one piece, and on and on. This is
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> say that your concerns aren't frustrating and understandable.
>>>>>>>> Please
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>> think that that is what I am saying at all. I'm just saying that
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>> community is not the only population that encounters these
>>>>>>>> frustrations.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hope this makes a little bit of sense, at least. Gary did a much
>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>> job than I. If you are able to attend an NFB Training Center I
>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> would be great for you. It is always something that I wanted to do,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> never had the opportunity. All the reports I have heard though
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>> amazing, and, if nothing else, it would offer you support and build
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> level of self confidence. I know that having a child would pose
>>>>>>>> concerns
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> this area too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Feel free to vent to us any time. We are all here to help you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (big cyber hug for you)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Diane Graves
>>>>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>>>>> 317-232-2647
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>>>>>>> George Washington Carver
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mari Hunziker
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:13 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grilling question
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you so much for sharing that Mike. I would love to learn more
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> the NFB centers. I am now needing more assistance in finding
>>>>>>>> creative
>>>>>>>> ways
>>>>>>>> of finding transportation for my son to get to and from school each
>>>>>>>> day.
>>>>>>>> Not
>>>>>>>> being able to drive or to do other things is a constant struggle. I
>>>>>>>> wish
>>>>>>>> there was someway to get over the emotional roller coaster I ride
>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>> day.
>>>>>>>> Some days thinking its a blessing to be blind and other days it is
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> curse.
>>>>>>>> How have you all gotten over this?
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Mari Hunziker
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > As a matter of fact, one of the things done at our NFB centers is
>>>>>>>> > to
>>>>>>>> > do
>>>>>>>> > some grilling and other chores that involve working with fire
>>>>>>>> > precisely
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> > get people over their fear of being burned. It's not thatanyone
>>>>>>>> > wishes
>>>>>>>> > to
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> > burned but (a) blindness doesn't increase one's risks assuming
>>>>>>>> > one
>>>>>>>> > is
>>>>>>>> > careful and (b) we want to turn that fear into what might be
>>>>>>>> > termed
>>>>>>>> healthy
>>>>>>>> > respect for fire which still allows one to work with it. At the
>>>>>>>> > end
>>>>>>>> > of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> > day, it becomes another lesson that blindness need not prevent us
>>>>>>>> > from
>>>>>>>> > leading normal lives.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Mike
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews"
>>>>>>>> > <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>>>>> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 1:22 PM
>>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grilling question
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > A totally blind person can grill or smoke. i have a gas grill,
>>>>>>>> > and a
>>>>>>>> >> large off-set smoker and use them regularly. I have also
>>>>>>>> >> grilled
>>>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>>>> >> charcoal -- although the gas grill is easier.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> There are lots of techniques to do stuff. One good source is
>>>>>>>> >> our
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>> >> cooks list
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-cooks_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Dave
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> p.s. You mentioned a "fear of getting burned." Just like with
>>>>>>>> >> an
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> oven,
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> >> pot of boiling water, a gas stove etc., you can get burned if
>>>>>>>> >> you
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> >> stuff carefully and correctly, but like with the other things
>>>>>>>> >> there
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> >> ways.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> At 08:42 AM 8/24/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>> Was anyone of you grillers afraid of the fire and the potential
>>>>>>>> >>> for
>>>>>>>> >>> getting
>>>>>>>> >>> burned. That is what keeps me from doing it. We have a charcoal
>>>>>>>> >>> grill/smoker. My brother, father and husband have mastered the
>>>>>>>> >>> great
>>>>>>>> >>> taste
>>>>>>>> >>> of grilled food. I have always thought that I could not grill
>>>>>>>> >>> or
>>>>>>>> >>> do
>>>>>>>> >>> things
>>>>>>>> >>> of that nature because I am blind(visually impaired). I now
>>>>>>>> >>> think
>>>>>>>> >>> it
>>>>>>>> >>> might
>>>>>>>> >>> just be a fear of getting burned. I do cook fairly well in
>>>>>>>> >>> doors,
>>>>>>>> >>> I
>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>> >>> thought about trying it outdoors. The next time we grill out. I
>>>>>>>> >>> will
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> >>> to
>>>>>>>> >>> pay more attention on how it is done so that I may someday try
>>>>>>>> >>> it.
>>>>>>>> >>> Who
>>>>>>>> >>> knows, I may like doing it.
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com
>>>>>>>> >> Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
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>>>>>>>> >
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