[Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
Laurie Porter
freespirit1 at tds.net
Thu Aug 26 15:58:10 UTC 2010
And that includes other drivers and the stupid things they do on the road.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
> hi,
>
> unfortunately, it wouldn't react as fast and you would hear a crack pop
> about the same time as any warning.
> people are all glassy eyed about the technology and most are unfamiliar
> with actual driving.
>
> Bryan Schulz
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Constance Canode" <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
>
>
>>A very good point Ray and I agree with you. Another question is what
>>happens when an unexpected patch of black ice comes up. That happens a
>>lot here in the cold Wisconsin Winters. There are a lot of unexpected
>>occurrences while driving down the road. Rick and I were in a cab one
>>time and we just missed a huge rock that flew out of a truck. It just
>>missed the window. Luckily the cab driver had good reflexrs, but what
>>would that car tell us.
>>
>> Connie Canode
>> At 08:44 PM 8/25/2010, you wrote:
>>>And here's another point. Let me speak frankly here. I'm personally
>>>all for what the NFB is doing with the blind driver thing; however,
>>>there's one very critically important consideration which the advocates
>>>of blind driving are overlooking. Let me state this in the form of a
>>>question. What will the blind driver do when; (not if mind you but when),
>>>the technology fails. Folks, I'm very concerned. Unless I'm missing
>>>something here, it looks to me like we're banking almost entirely, (if
>>>not totally and completely), upon the technology to get the car we can
>>>drive. Y'all, I think this is a very serious mistake!!! Back in my days
>>>as a student at the Louisiana Center for the Blind, we were always taught
>>>that the technology, while good, was not and is not a panacea; take the
>>>slate and stylus over the clunky and heavier Braille writer we all know
>>>and love for taking notes for example. For another, take the use of a
>>>human reader over the use of the scanner and OCR. The type writer over
>>>the computer...need I go on? Point is this. Sooner or later, whether we
>>>like it or not, and whether we want to admit it or not, the technology is
>>>going to fail. We'd better have it in our heads what we're going to do
>>>when that happens. I think it's quite neieve to suppose that this will
>>>not happen. I'm not saying that we shouldn't do this; nor, for that
>>>matter, am I saying that we shouldn't rely on the technology; but, we're
>>>being stupidly neieve if we imagine that total reliance on the technology
>>>alone is the best way to get us there. Strong words you say? Well, yes.
>>>But, I really do think we're fooling ourselves if we don't seriously
>>>consider this point.
>>> I suppose that blind kids today have no idea how the blind of
>>> past generations did things. How, for example, did we type before
>>> computers? How did we check what we were typing and make sure it was
>>> correct? Well, we did. That's what correction tape is for. Back then,
>>> there were ways of getting those things done; and, we did them. I am a
>>> bit concerned that perhaps, with our rush forward in to this, we are or
>>> may be overlooking some very important points of basic function here.
>>>
>>>
>>>Sincerely,
>>>The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>
>>>A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!
>>>
>>>E-Mail:
>>>rforetjr at comcast dot net
>>>Skype Name:
>>>barefootedray
>>>
>>>On Aug 25, 2010, at 6:14 PM, Cindy Handel wrote:
>>>
>>>Yeah, I find it hard to believe that anyone would even suggest that the
>>>cost
>>>of these cars, should they ever materialize, would go down after the R&D
>>>has
>>>been recouped.
>>>
>>>I believe it's a very interesting project. But, if, in a number of
>>>years, a
>>>car is actually developed and ready to be sold, the next thing we'll have
>>>to
>>>accomplish, before we can actually drive the thing, is convince insurance
>>>companies to insure us. I believe that will be at least as time
>>>consuming
>>>as producing a car we can drive.
>>>
>>>Cindy
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>>>To: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:49 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
>>>
>>>
>>>hi,
>>>
>>>if you really believe that theory, look how jaws software has never
>>>decreased a penny since 1995.
>>>
>>>Bryan Schulz
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:08 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
>>>
>>>
>>> > Bryan,
>>> > Though the car is expensive now, perhaps it will not be so much
>>> > after
>>> > the R&D is recouped. In addition, it may not ever be something I will
>>> > see
>>> > manifested in my lifetime, but perhaps in my blind nephew's lifetime.
>>> > Furthermore, as the blind gain the independence that comes from this
>>> > sort
>>> > of technology, other forms of technology that will level the playing
>>> > field
>>> > for us may come out of it!
>>> >
>>> > Fraternally yours,
>>> > Marion Gwizdala
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>>> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:50 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> yea right,
>>> >> if she can barely get by now how is she supposed to take an extra
>>> >> mortgage to help cover a 75+k car?
>>> >> are our heads in the sand?
>>> >>
>>> >> Bryan Schulz
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> >> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:19 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hello Mary and everyone,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> This is exactly why the Blind Driver Challenge is so important and
>>> >>> a
>>> >>> project to be persued now. If you didn't see it earlier here is the
>>> >>> link
>>> >>> for
>>> >>> the new Blind Driver Challenge Web Site:
>>> >>> http://www.blinddriverchallenge.org
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I've all ready linked our chapter Web site to it and will add the
>>> >>> link
>>> >>> to our home page. What really thrills me is the vast amount of
>>> >>> content
>>> >>> all
>>> >>> ready on the site and not a single page on witch do the words
>>> >>> "Coming
>>> >>> Soon"
>>> >>> appear. Great work Jernigan Institute and NFB!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Peter Donahue
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> From: "Mari Hunziker" <marihunziker at gmail.com>
>>> >>> To: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing
>>> >>> List"
>>> >>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 1:55 PM
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I have gotten to the point that I would rather sit at home and do
>>> >>> nothing
>>> >>> than ask someone for a ride. Some people get so frustrated or seem
>>> >>> to be
>>> >>> bothered by having to help me out sometimes. Yesterday, I paid a
>>> >>> friend
>>> >>> $30
>>> >>> dollars in gas money to drive my son home from school. My 1st grade
>>> >>> son,
>>> >>> is
>>> >>> not eligible to ride the school bus because his elementary school
>>> >>> only
>>> >>> offers busing to kids with special needs. I asked for special
>>> >>> accommodations
>>> >>> for our situation and they were not able to help. I paid the my
>>> >>> friend
>>> >>> because I could not see myself walking 1.75 miles to the school and
>>> >>> back
>>> >>> another 1.75 miles back in 105 degree heat. I told the district
>>> >>> transportation manager that when the heat index is so dangerously
>>> >>> hot it
>>> >>> should be mandatory that kids get rides home somehow. It breaks my
>>> >>> heart
>>> >>> that kids have to walk, ride their bike, etc home in that heat. My
>>> >>> transportation needs have been met by a kind friend willing to drive
>>> >>> out
>>> >>> of
>>> >>> her way to bring my son home. I was so blessed the last couple of
>>> >>> years
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> have a friend in my neighborhood be willing to carpool with us. My
>>> >>> husband
>>> >>> drove the kids in the morning and she brought them home after
>>> >>> school. It
>>> >>> was
>>> >>> great. But of course things always change and we (I) must learn to
>>> >>> deal
>>> >>> with
>>> >>> it like I am trying to. I just signed my 2 year old daughter up for
>>> >>> Dance
>>> >>> class and then called up CARTS to arrange a ride. So happy they can
>>> >>> take
>>> >>> us
>>> >>> and charge us $3 each way. We will see how it goes. I wish visually
>>> >>> impaired
>>> >>> / blind people received a living expense stipend like they do in
>>> >>> Canada.
>>> >>> It
>>> >>> would be so helpful for those of us living on a budget and for those
>>> >>> of
>>> >>> us,
>>> >>> like myself who live in the suburbs with no public nor para transit
>>> >>> system.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> You all are fabulous. Thanks for all of the words of wisdom posted
>>> >>> on
>>> >>> here.
>>> >>> I love it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mari Hunziker
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Marion Gwizdala
>>> >>> <blind411 at verizon.net>wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Diane,
>>> >>>> I also find it interesting that people are "amazed" that it might
>>> >>>> take
>>> >>>> us
>>> >>>> 2 hours to get somewhere that, by car, only takes 30 minutes. They
>>> >>>> also
>>> >>>> express concern over how much a taxicab cost. I point out to them
>>> >>>> that
>>> >>>> I
>>> >>>> get
>>> >>>> a lot of work done on my commutes by making telephone calls and
>>> >>>> doing
>>> >>>> writing. I also share with them the comparitive savings of
>>> >>>> taxicabs,
>>> >>>> when
>>> >>>> necessary, and public transportation for regular, everyday needs,
>>> >>>> as
>>> >>>> opposed
>>> >>>> to a $300 car payment, $500 insurance payment, $200/month gas
>>> >>>> budget,
>>> >>>> not
>>> >>>> to
>>> >>>> mention tune-ups, oil changes, tires and rotations, etc.
>>> >>>> I generally use the public transportation fixed route system for
>>> >>>> most
>>> >>>> of
>>> >>>> my travel needs, Para transit when necessary, and taxicabs for
>>> >>>> those
>>> >>>> times
>>> >>>> when neither of those forms of transportation are viable, e.g.
>>> >>>> inclement
>>> >>>> weather, gigs where I need to take my sound gear, and entertainment
>>> >>>> that
>>> >>>> gets out after the buses stop running! I guess it's all a matter of
>>> >>>> perspective!
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> >>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graves, Diane"
>>> >>>> <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>> >>>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:49 AM
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grilling question
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Hey Mary,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> You know it's funny. Another thing that came to mind after I sent
>>> >>>>> my
>>> >>>>> post
>>> >>>>> was my amazement at how frustrated I've seen some sighted people
>>> >>>>> get,
>>> >>>>> when
>>> >>>>> they have to hop into the driver's seat and take a 15 minute ride
>>> >>>>> in
>>> >>>>> their
>>> >>>>> car, to go somewhere that they weren't planning to go. Maybe to
>>> >>>>> run an
>>> >>>>> errand to the grocery store, or go pick up a child, or take a
>>> >>>>> child's
>>> >>>>> friend
>>> >>>>> home. It just blows me away. I'm like "give me a break."
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> My sister-in-law is like that. She always wants me to come out
>>> >>>>> into
>>> >>>>> the
>>> >>>>> suburbs to her house, but never wants to come into the city to
>>> >>>>> pick me
>>> >>>>> up
>>> >>>>> or
>>> >>>>> visit me. I'm thinking, "hey lady, you're the one who drives!"
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> But see, even if you are sighted you get locked into a routine,
>>> >>>>> and
>>> >>>>> are
>>> >>>>> frustrated by the little unexpected inconveniences that come up.
>>> >>>>> Inconveniences that seem almost ridiculous to a blind person who
>>> >>>>> would
>>> >>>>> love
>>> >>>>> to be able to drive independently and take care of some of those
>>> >>>>> things
>>> >>>>> without the hassle of planning.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Diane Graves
>>> >>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>> >>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>> >>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>> >>>>> 317-232-2647
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>> >>>>> George Washington Carver
>>> >>>>>
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>>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> >>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> >>>>> On
>>> >>>>> Behalf Of Mari Hunziker
>>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:23 AM
>>> >>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grilling question
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Thank you Diane and Gary,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Your words of wisdom have left me to ponder about what the Lord
>>> >>>>> has in
>>> >>>>> store
>>> >>>>> for me as a mother of two wonderful children. I know that I was
>>> >>>>> given
>>> >>>>> this
>>> >>>>> opportunity for a reason. I know that being visually impaired will
>>> >>>>> only
>>> >>>>> enhance my life. Yes, Diane I wish as well that I could spend
>>> >>>>> $1000 in
>>> >>>>> an
>>> >>>>> afternoon and not think twice. Being financially secure does help
>>> >>>>> make
>>> >>>>> life
>>> >>>>> a bit more comfortable but not necessarily happier. It takes a lot
>>> >>>>> more
>>> >>>>> self
>>> >>>>> assurance of oneself to be happy. That is what I think my real
>>> >>>>> issue
>>> >>>>> is.
>>> >>>>> I
>>> >>>>> want to be happy with all that I have. I am most of the time. Its
>>> >>>>> that
>>> >>>>> emotional roller coaster that I don't enjoy riding at times. But
>>> >>>>> for
>>> >>>>> the
>>> >>>>> most part life is good. Thank you for your words of wisdom. I
>>> >>>>> really
>>> >>>>> appreciate it.
>>> >>>>> Mari Hunziker
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Graves, Diane
>>> >>>>> <dgraves at icrc.in.gov>
>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hi Mary,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> First, please know that I do understand your feelings and
>>> >>>>>> frustrations
>>> >>>>>> all
>>> >>>>>> too well. I have definitely been there before, and occasionally
>>> >>>>>> still
>>> >>>>>> go
>>> >>>>>> there. I think there was a lot of wisdom to be found in Gary's
>>> >>>>>> post,
>>> >>>>>> and
>>> >>>>>> so
>>> >>>>>> I'll just second it with a couple of points.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I don't care how well adjusted and accomplished you are as a
>>> >>>>>> blind
>>> >>>>>> person,
>>> >>>>>> there are times when having sight would simply be more
>>> >>>>>> convenient. It
>>> >>>>>> does
>>> >>>>>> get frustrating sometimes. But if you think about it, this is
>>> >>>>>> true in
>>> >>>>>> many
>>> >>>>>> areas of our lives. I often find myself feeling envious of those
>>> >>>>>> who
>>> >>>>>> can
>>> >>>>>> go
>>> >>>>>> shopping, spend $1000 in an afternoon, and not think twice about
>>> >>>>>> it,
>>> >>>>>> while I
>>> >>>>>> am struggling to make sure all of the bills are paid. I am
>>> >>>>>> frustrated
>>> >>>>>> that
>>> >>>>>> the members of congress charged with making our tax and economic
>>> >>>>>> decisions,
>>> >>>>>> are the people making more money than most of us will ever see.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I am often disgusted by the women who complain and refer to
>>> >>>>>> themselves
>>> >>>>>> as
>>> >>>>>> "fat" because they can't fit into a size 4 dress, when I would
>>> >>>>>> give
>>> >>>>>> anything
>>> >>>>>> to see a size 14 again
>>> >>>>>> . These are just some small, maybe silly, examples, but my point
>>> >>>>>> is
>>> >>>>>> that
>>> >>>>>> blindness is just one of the many frustrations that life has to
>>> >>>>>> offer.
>>> >>>>>> Life
>>> >>>>>> has dealt us all a partial deck of cards, and we just have to
>>> >>>>>> learn
>>> >>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>> play
>>> >>>>>> the best game we can with the cards that we've been dealt. But,
>>> >>>>>> as
>>> >>>>>> any
>>> >>>>>> skilled card player knows, the more you practice, the more
>>> >>>>>> skilled
>>> >>>>>> you
>>> >>>>>> become.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Just know that while you are concerned about transportation
>>> >>>>>> issues
>>> >>>>>> where
>>> >>>>>> school is concerned, some other mother is agonizing over how she
>>> >>>>>> is
>>> >>>>>> going
>>> >>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>> get new shoes for her child, or pay for the after school
>>> >>>>>> childcare.
>>> >>>>>> Another
>>> >>>>>> mother is worried about how she is going to get her wayward,
>>> >>>>>> rebellious
>>> >>>>>> teenager through high school in one piece, and on and on. This
>>> >>>>>> is
>>> >>>>>> not
>>> >>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>> say that your concerns aren't frustrating and understandable.
>>> >>>>>> Please
>>> >>>>>> don't
>>> >>>>>> think that that is what I am saying at all. I'm just saying that
>>> >>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>> blind
>>> >>>>>> community is not the only population that encounters these
>>> >>>>>> frustrations.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I hope this makes a little bit of sense, at least. Gary did a
>>> >>>>>> much
>>> >>>>>> better
>>> >>>>>> job than I. If you are able to attend an NFB Training Center I
>>> >>>>>> think
>>> >>>>>> it
>>> >>>>>> would be great for you. It is always something that I wanted to
>>> >>>>>> do,
>>> >>>>>> but
>>> >>>>>> never had the opportunity. All the reports I have heard though
>>> >>>>>> have
>>> >>>>>> been
>>> >>>>>> amazing, and, if nothing else, it would offer you support and
>>> >>>>>> build
>>> >>>>>> your
>>> >>>>>> level of self confidence. I know that having a child would pose
>>> >>>>>> concerns
>>> >>>>>> in
>>> >>>>>> this area too.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Feel free to vent to us any time. We are all here to help you.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> (big cyber hug for you)
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Diane Graves
>>> >>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>> >>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>> >>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>> >>>>>> 317-232-2647
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>> >>>>>> George Washington Carver
>>> >>>>>>
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>>> >>>>>> recipient,
>>> >>>>>> be
>>> >>>>>> advised that any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution,
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>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> >>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> >>>>>> On
>>> >>>>>> Behalf Of Mari Hunziker
>>> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:13 PM
>>> >>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grilling question
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Thank you so much for sharing that Mike. I would love to learn
>>> >>>>>> more
>>> >>>>>> about
>>> >>>>>> the NFB centers. I am now needing more assistance in finding
>>> >>>>>> creative
>>> >>>>>> ways
>>> >>>>>> of finding transportation for my son to get to and from school
>>> >>>>>> each
>>> >>>>>> day.
>>> >>>>>> Not
>>> >>>>>> being able to drive or to do other things is a constant struggle.
>>> >>>>>> I
>>> >>>>>> wish
>>> >>>>>> there was someway to get over the emotional roller coaster I ride
>>> >>>>>> every
>>> >>>>>> day.
>>> >>>>>> Some days thinking its a blessing to be blind and other days it
>>> >>>>>> is a
>>> >>>>>> curse.
>>> >>>>>> How have you all gotten over this?
>>> >>>>>> Thanks,
>>> >>>>>> Mari Hunziker
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> As a matter of fact, one of the things done at our NFB centers
>>> >>>>>>> is
>>> >>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>> do
>>> >>>>>>> some grilling and other chores that involve working with fire
>>> >>>>>>> precisely
>>> >>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>> get people over their fear of being burned. It's not thatanyone
>>> >>>>>>> wishes
>>> >>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>> be
>>> >>>>>>> burned but (a) blindness doesn't increase one's risks assuming
>>> >>>>>>> one
>>> >>>>>>> is
>>> >>>>>>> careful and (b) we want to turn that fear into what might be
>>> >>>>>>> termed
>>> >>>>>> healthy
>>> >>>>>>> respect for fire which still allows one to work with it. At the
>>> >>>>>>> end
>>> >>>>>>> of
>>> >>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>> day, it becomes another lesson that blindness need not prevent
>>> >>>>>>> us
>>> >>>>>>> from
>>> >>>>>>> leading normal lives.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Mike
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews"
>>> >>>>>>> <dandrews at visi.com>
>>> >>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 1:22 PM
>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grilling question
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> A totally blind person can grill or smoke. i have a gas grill,
>>> >>>>>>> and a
>>> >>>>>>>> large off-set smoker and use them regularly. I have also
>>> >>>>>>>> grilled
>>> >>>>>>>> with
>>> >>>>>>>> charcoal -- although the gas grill is easier.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> There are lots of techniques to do stuff. One good source is
>>> >>>>>>>> our
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> blind
>>> >>>>>>>> cooks list
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-cooks_nfbnet.org
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Dave
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> p.s. You mentioned a "fear of getting burned." Just like with
>>> >>>>>>>> an
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> oven,
>>> >>>>>> a
>>> >>>>>>>> pot of boiling water, a gas stove etc., you can get burned if
>>> >>>>>>>> you
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> don't
>>> >>>>>> do
>>> >>>>>>>> stuff carefully and correctly, but like with the other things
>>> >>>>>>>> there
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> are
>>> >>>>>>>> ways.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> At 08:42 AM 8/24/2010, you wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Was anyone of you grillers afraid of the fire and the
>>> >>>>>>>>> potential
>>> >>>>>>>>> for
>>> >>>>>>>>> getting
>>> >>>>>>>>> burned. That is what keeps me from doing it. We have a
>>> >>>>>>>>> charcoal
>>> >>>>>>>>> grill/smoker. My brother, father and husband have mastered the
>>> >>>>>>>>> great
>>> >>>>>>>>> taste
>>> >>>>>>>>> of grilled food. I have always thought that I could not grill
>>> >>>>>>>>> or
>>> >>>>>>>>> do
>>> >>>>>>>>> things
>>> >>>>>>>>> of that nature because I am blind(visually impaired). I now
>>> >>>>>>>>> think
>>> >>>>>>>>> it
>>> >>>>>>>>> might
>>> >>>>>>>>> just be a fear of getting burned. I do cook fairly well in
>>> >>>>>>>>> doors,
>>> >>>>>>>>> I
>>> >>>>>> never
>>> >>>>>>>>> thought about trying it outdoors. The next time we grill out.
>>> >>>>>>>>> I
>>> >>>>>>>>> will
>>> >>>>>> have
>>> >>>>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>>>> pay more attention on how it is done so that I may someday try
>>> >>>>>>>>> it.
>>> >>>>>>>>> Who
>>> >>>>>>>>> knows, I may like doing it.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com
>>> >>>>>>>> Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
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