[Blindtlk] Thought you allmight findthisinteresting-AirTranfined $500K for disabilityviolations

Tue Aug 31 15:05:44 UTC 2010

why do you think they call it pre boarding?
people are given time if they need it before the first group is called.

Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Thought you allmight 
findthisinteresting-AirTranfined $500K for disabilityviolations

> Are you suggesting then that preboarding should be forced on us? Again, 
> not trying to  be argumentative, just asking for clarification, and 
> offering discussion.
>
> What about a parent who has an infant and a toddler in tow? Do you think 
> that preboarding should be forced on them? They would likely hold people 
> up as well.
>
> My personal  stance is that I am not a child or an invalid, and I am not 
> going to allow others to dictate to me as if I were.
>
> Diane Graves
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:22 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Thought you all might find 
> thisinteresting-AirTranfined $500K for disability violations
>
> I have observed blind individuals who refused assistance from the flight
> crew when boarding and they held everyone else up while fumbling around.
> This is a real issue that blind individuals should take into 
> consideration.
> I have vision, however, I always allow a member of the flight crew to 
> assist
> me in locating my seat quickly.  If you are a frequent business flier, 
> then
> you know time is money!!
> Steve
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Thought you all might find
> thisinteresting-AirTranfined $500K for disability violations
>
>
>> With regard to preboarding, I think the word "preference" is the key.
>> There was a time when it was forced on us whether we wanted it or not.
>>
>> We are all individuals. Another example would be perhaps crossing a busy
>> intersection. There are some blind individuals who would prefer to have a
>> fellow crosser offer an arm or some assistance. There are others who feel
>> competent in this area and would prefer to be left alone to do it
>> themselves. With regard to the latter group, if a sighted person comes up
>> and offers some assistance which is politely refused and the sighted
>> person goes on about their business, , there is no problem. If, however,
>> that sighted person insists, grabs the blind person's arm, not taking 
>> "no"
>> for an answer, that constitutes a major problem and should  not be
>> tolerated.
>>
>> person
>>
>>
>> Diane Graves
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>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>> 317-232-2647
>>
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>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of cheryl echevarria
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:34 AM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Thought you all might find this
>> interesting-AirTran fined $500K for disability violations
>>
>> I am making note to this because after the convention, I got a lot of
>> e-mails asking me who to contact at the airlines where it was related to 
>> a
>> guide dog user, having issues with the staff or a blind person force to
>> sit
>> in wheelchairs.
>>
>> It is just a topic, and we don't know what other issues airtran has, they
>> might not think it is worth noting about guide dogs and the blind.  Who
>> knows, I posted it as interest and reminding people here since we are a
>> non-profit organization that is an advocacy group for the blind.
>>
>>
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>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us>
>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Thought you all might find this
>> interesting-AirTran
>> fined $500K for disability violations
>>
>>
>>> The objection is to forced pre-boarding.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Peachtree Travel
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:51 AM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Thought you all might find this
>>> interesting -AirTran fined $500K for disability violations
>>>
>>> Ray:
>>>
>>> By law, all the airlines are required to have a system in place to
>>> document all disability complaints.  This stems from the ADA mandates.
>>> Sounds like Air Tran was either underreporting the complaints or doing
>>> nothing in a timely manner regarding the complaints they already had on
>>> file.
>>>
>>> It also seems most of the complaints that Air ran is being accused of
>>> underreporting or not taking action on are from wheelchair users or not
>>> helping a blind person get to their flight or connection on time.
>>>
>>> I remember when working for Marriott International, we had strict
>>> guidelines for ADA calls.  We could never tell the disability caller
>>> there
>>> wasn't any accessible rooms in the hotel.  If we couldn't guaranty them 
>>> a
>>> accessible room, we had to finish the reservation and transfer the call
>>> to
>>> the ADA department.
>>>
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>>>
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