[Blindtlk] Thought youall might find thisinteresting-AirTranfined $500K fordisability violations

Tue Aug 31 20:13:53 UTC 2010

That's no problem.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Thought youall might find 
thisinteresting-AirTranfined $500K fordisability violations


> other people preboard as well, why do blind people have to act so capable
> instead of interacting with society and asking/talking with someone else?
> all you have to do is nicely ask someone is this the xyz row.
>
> Bryan Schulz
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Thought youall might find
> thisinteresting-AirTranfined $500K fordisability violations
>
>
>> They show you to your seat prior to other passangers board.  It does take
>> blind individuals longer to find their seats.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Thought you all might find
>> thisinteresting-AirTranfined $500K for disability violations
>>
>>
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>> While I can't say that what you describe never happens, and also that 
>>> you
>>> shouldn't handle this as you feel most comfortable, one must ask
>>> additional
>>> questions if they are really going to paint a complete picture.  In all
>>> fairness who fills in for the flight crew member when they are showing
>>> you
>>> your seat?
>>> Who is inconvenienced when the flight crew member must walk against the
>>> traffic to move from your seat back to the front of the plane.  I don't
>>> fly a lot, but
>>> I don't ever remember a time when I didn't have to wait for the people 
>>> in
>>> front of me to get their bags put away before I could get to my seat, 
>>> and
>>> they have
>>> generally all been sighted.  We certainly need to think of how our
>>> actions
>>> impact others, but we also have to keep them in perspective.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>
>>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:21:32 -0400, Steve P. Deeley wrote:
>>>
>>>>I have observed blind individuals who refused assistance from the flight
>>>>crew when boarding and they held everyone else up while fumbling around.
>>>>This is a real issue that blind individuals should take into
>>>>consideration.
>>>>I have vision, however, I always allow a member of the flight crew to
>>>>assist
>>>>me in locating my seat quickly.  If you are a frequent business flier,
>>>>then
>>>>you know time is money!!
>>>>Steve
>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>>>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:03 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Thought you all might find
>>>>thisinteresting-AirTranfined $500K for disability violations
>>>
>>>
>>>>> With regard to preboarding, I think the word "preference" is the key.
>>>>> There was a time when it was forced on us whether we wanted it or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are all individuals. Another example would be perhaps crossing a
>>>>> busy
>>>>> intersection. There are some blind individuals who would prefer to 
>>>>> have
>>>>> a
>>>>> fellow crosser offer an arm or some assistance. There are others who
>>>>> feel
>>>>> competent in this area and would prefer to be left alone to do it
>>>>> themselves. With regard to the latter group, if a sighted person comes
>>>>> up
>>>>> and offers some assistance which is politely refused and the sighted
>>>>> person goes on about their business, , there is no problem. If,
>>>>> however,
>>>>> that sighted person insists, grabs the blind person's arm, not taking
>>>>> "no"
>>>>> for an answer, that constitutes a major problem and should  not be
>>>>> tolerated.
>>>>>
>>>>> person
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Diane Graves
>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>> 317-232-2647
>>>>>
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>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of cheryl echevarria
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:34 AM
>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Thought you all might find this
>>>>> interesting-AirTran fined $500K for disability violations
>>>>>
>>>>> I am making note to this because after the convention, I got a lot of
>>>>> e-mails asking me who to contact at the airlines where it was related
>>>>> to
>>>>> a
>>>>> guide dog user, having issues with the staff or a blind person force 
>>>>> to
>>>>> sit
>>>>> in wheelchairs.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is just a topic, and we don't know what other issues airtran has,
>>>>> they
>>>>> might not think it is worth noting about guide dogs and the blind. 
>>>>> Who
>>>>> knows, I posted it as interest and reminding people here since we are 
>>>>> a
>>>>> non-profit organization that is an advocacy group for the blind.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>>>> Independent Travel Consultant
>>>>> C10-10646
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us>
>>>>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:58 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Thought you all might find this
>>>>> interesting-AirTran
>>>>> fined $500K for disability violations
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The objection is to forced pre-boarding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Peachtree Travel
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:51 AM
>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Thought you all might find this
>>>>>> interesting -AirTran fined $500K for disability violations
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ray:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By law, all the airlines are required to have a system in place to
>>>>>> document all disability complaints.  This stems from the ADA 
>>>>>> mandates.
>>>>>> Sounds like Air Tran was either underreporting the complaints or 
>>>>>> doing
>>>>>> nothing in a timely manner regarding the complaints they already had
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It also seems most of the complaints that Air ran is being accused of
>>>>>> underreporting or not taking action on are from wheelchair users or
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> helping a blind person get to their flight or connection on time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember when working for Marriott International, we had strict
>>>>>> guidelines for ADA calls.  We could never tell the disability caller
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> wasn't any accessible rooms in the hotel.  If we couldn't guaranty
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> accessible room, we had to finish the reservation and transfer the
>>>>>> call
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the ADA department.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maurice
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We know that you have a choice in choosing a Travel Partner and truly
>>>>>> appreciate that you have selected Peachtree Travel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Independent Travel Consultant
>>>>>> http://www.Peachtreetravel.net
>>>>>> (phone) 888-389-2723
>>>>>> (fax) 888-563-4698
>>>>>> Reservations at peachtreetravel.net
>>>>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
>>>>>> CST-1018299-10
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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