[Blindtlk] Thought youall might find thisinteresting-AirTranfined $500K fordisability violations

Tue Aug 31 19:51:09 UTC 2010

other people preboard as well, why do blind people have to act so capable 
instead of interacting with society and asking/talking with someone else?
all you have to do is nicely ask someone is this the xyz row.

Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Thought youall might find 
thisinteresting-AirTranfined $500K fordisability violations

> They show you to your seat prior to other passangers board.  It does take
> blind individuals longer to find their seats.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Thought you all might find
> thisinteresting-AirTranfined $500K for disability violations
>
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> While I can't say that what you describe never happens, and also that you
>> shouldn't handle this as you feel most comfortable, one must ask
>> additional
>> questions if they are really going to paint a complete picture.  In all
>> fairness who fills in for the flight crew member when they are showing 
>> you
>> your seat?
>> Who is inconvenienced when the flight crew member must walk against the
>> traffic to move from your seat back to the front of the plane.  I don't
>> fly a lot, but
>> I don't ever remember a time when I didn't have to wait for the people in
>> front of me to get their bags put away before I could get to my seat, and
>> they have
>> generally all been sighted.  We certainly need to think of how our 
>> actions
>> impact others, but we also have to keep them in perspective.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:21:32 -0400, Steve P. Deeley wrote:
>>
>>>I have observed blind individuals who refused assistance from the flight
>>>crew when boarding and they held everyone else up while fumbling around.
>>>This is a real issue that blind individuals should take into
>>>consideration.
>>>I have vision, however, I always allow a member of the flight crew to
>>>assist
>>>me in locating my seat quickly.  If you are a frequent business flier,
>>>then
>>>you know time is money!!
>>>Steve
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:03 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Thought you all might find
>>>thisinteresting-AirTranfined $500K for disability violations
>>
>>
>>>> With regard to preboarding, I think the word "preference" is the key.
>>>> There was a time when it was forced on us whether we wanted it or not.
>>>>
>>>> We are all individuals. Another example would be perhaps crossing a 
>>>> busy
>>>> intersection. There are some blind individuals who would prefer to have
>>>> a
>>>> fellow crosser offer an arm or some assistance. There are others who
>>>> feel
>>>> competent in this area and would prefer to be left alone to do it
>>>> themselves. With regard to the latter group, if a sighted person comes
>>>> up
>>>> and offers some assistance which is politely refused and the sighted
>>>> person goes on about their business, , there is no problem. If, 
>>>> however,
>>>> that sighted person insists, grabs the blind person's arm, not taking
>>>> "no"
>>>> for an answer, that constitutes a major problem and should  not be
>>>> tolerated.
>>>>
>>>> person
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Diane Graves
>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>> 317-232-2647
>>>>
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>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of cheryl echevarria
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:34 AM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Thought you all might find this
>>>> interesting-AirTran fined $500K for disability violations
>>>>
>>>> I am making note to this because after the convention, I got a lot of
>>>> e-mails asking me who to contact at the airlines where it was related 
>>>> to
>>>> a
>>>> guide dog user, having issues with the staff or a blind person force to
>>>> sit
>>>> in wheelchairs.
>>>>
>>>> It is just a topic, and we don't know what other issues airtran has,
>>>> they
>>>> might not think it is worth noting about guide dogs and the blind.  Who
>>>> knows, I posted it as interest and reminding people here since we are a
>>>> non-profit organization that is an advocacy group for the blind.
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>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us>
>>>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:58 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Thought you all might find this
>>>> interesting-AirTran
>>>> fined $500K for disability violations
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The objection is to forced pre-boarding.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Peachtree Travel
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:51 AM
>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Thought you all might find this
>>>>> interesting -AirTran fined $500K for disability violations
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray:
>>>>>
>>>>> By law, all the airlines are required to have a system in place to
>>>>> document all disability complaints.  This stems from the ADA mandates.
>>>>> Sounds like Air Tran was either underreporting the complaints or doing
>>>>> nothing in a timely manner regarding the complaints they already had 
>>>>> on
>>>>> file.
>>>>>
>>>>> It also seems most of the complaints that Air ran is being accused of
>>>>> underreporting or not taking action on are from wheelchair users or 
>>>>> not
>>>>> helping a blind person get to their flight or connection on time.
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember when working for Marriott International, we had strict
>>>>> guidelines for ADA calls.  We could never tell the disability caller
>>>>> there
>>>>> wasn't any accessible rooms in the hotel.  If we couldn't guaranty 
>>>>> them
>>>>> a
>>>>> accessible room, we had to finish the reservation and transfer the 
>>>>> call
>>>>> to
>>>>> the ADA department.
>>>>>
>>>>> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
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>>>>> Maurice
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