[Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety

Thu Jun 3 05:36:29 UTC 2010

Will you guys read my posts? You guys can't read or something? I am
not harping about this anymore. I posted another thread and yet
another one cause you are not obviously reading anything that I am
say9ing. Man you guys in NFB are hypocritical as hell towards issues
like getting initial help. I can quote of many times. I am not sitting
on my keyster either cause if you would read my post I have already
rebuked you. Read first before posting.

On 6/3/10, Gloria Whipple <fairyfoot at webband.com> wrote:
> Way to go Mike!
>
>
> Gloria Whipple
> Corrisponding secretary
> Inland Empire chapter
> nfb of WA
>
> cell number: 509-475-4993
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:53 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority
> complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>
> Peter:
>
> It strikes me that you're having a whale of a good time thinking of things a
>
> blind person *cannot* do. Tell me: do you really enjoy sitting on your
> posterior all day crying: "Woe is me?" Snap out of it. Were you to come to
> the NFB convention in Dallas, I bet I could introduce you to two or three
> farmers (which is two or three more farmers who are blind than sighted ones
> I know) and one of the members of the Board of Directors was a derry farmer
> for some time and may still do a bit of it.
>
> Stop thinking of what blind folks *can't* do and start thinking: "What am
> *I* going to do with my life? What am I interested in? How much time, effort
>
> and energy am I willing to put into that interest?"
>
>
> Grab the world by the short hairs and tell it who's boss!
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority
> complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>
>
>> Julie:
>>
>>
>>   How many blind people are farmers? I bet not even a percent and I
>> bet they have firm rootxs from generation to generation within their
>> church. So, the family of massive wealth resources also helps as well.
>> They grow their own food and can be able. How well can they see? Do
>> they have a spouse or other relative nearby? I know of this cause I
>> know someone in a simular situation with his own acrage and has his
>> sister to help out tremendously. Not all of us have relatives alive
>> anymore or if so aren't functionally able to do so. I am just saying.
>>
>> On 6/2/10, Julie J <julielj at windstream.net> wrote:
>>> What happens to the blind people who want to be farmers?
>>>
>>> Just sayin' public transportation isn't the miracle cure for everything.
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>
>>>
>>>> You need to take responsibility and move to areas where there is
>>>> adequate
>>>> public transportation!
>>>> Steve
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:00 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If personal responsability was a mantra strong enough how come it is
>>>>> that blind people in particilar are not gainfully employed? Some areas
>>>>> don't facilitate transportation and I have been around virtually all
>>>>> types of blind people. There is a good number that can't get hired and
>>>>> private companies in particilar go against it  like Goergia Pacific or
>>>>> have halfway commitments like car plants. Then, government layoffs as
>>>>> well.
>>>>>    Another thing is that many legallly blind people post about an
>>>>> almost completely blind prospective. Perhaps some of this can be done.
>>>>> However, I've ran across plenty of blind people in my opinion that
>>>>> have people pick up after them. I mean that it's not as independent
>>>>> cause they don't want to be or people pity them too much. There are
>>>>> limitations even with the best accessability and acknowledging them is
>>>>> a good realistic approach. Then, my interests and dislikes and I've
>>>>> done that. I've researched these areas and what it boils down to is
>>>>> insecurity with being blind.
>>>>>    About my local NFB branch. Since Mike Jones has been away for a
>>>>> unknown set time to Hawaii to the last time I've heard that Auburn's
>>>>> NFB is nothing? It's mainly in bigger cities. How do you meet blind
>>>>> people then? The Program for Students with Disabilities isn't a social
>>>>> networking site unfortunately. It is okay via e-mail and I have ran
>>>>> into three blind people here just one has left and that is about it.
>>>>>    What would you do about choosing to change your major into
>>>>> something with more creativity or teaching that you won't be
>>>>> complained about doing cause they have already paid so much? Initially
>>>>> when I started college I wanted to be a lawyer but I realize they is a
>>>>> element of corruption and huge sin risks by word scrambling to suit
>>>>> your own agenda that I don't like at all. So, the psychology field,
>>>>> history and political science all weren't what I wanted. There is this
>>>>> initative to get math and science students at Auburn to do that stuff.
>>>>>    I have to take calculus 1 and or calculus 2 but I don't know
>>>>> neimith code. How logn do you think it could take someone with
>>>>> virtually no experience to learn the basics for that course? I might
>>>>> just get a tutor though and do it that way. If there is computer
>>>>> scientists on the list just e-mail me. I don't beleieve that blind
>>>>> people have to do all of this calculus information like some have
>>>>> fabricated though. Arrogance is hard to deal with supposedly
>>>>> successful blind people. I owuld like to own my own company!
>>>>> note: thanks to all of you
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/2/10, Hyde, David W. (ESC) <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us> wrote:
>>>>>> Peter, I started to reply several times. Gary and Steve both make good
>>>>>> points. They said the things I wanted to say. Let me add that I know
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> wouldn't have had the type of encouragement I have had were it not for
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> blind. I have had the boone of meeting more successful people than
>>>>>> most,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> finding that they are willing to share their secrets (mostly hard work
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> techniques that make sense once you learn them) with me. They then
>>>>>> expected
>>>>>> me to pass them on to others. I have learned to try my best.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You sound like a fellow who has a number of things going on at the
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> time. Please don't try to solve them all at once. If you can
>>>>>> prioritize
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> needs (it's hard, but it is the only way to get them all down) and
>>>>>> deal
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> them one at a time, you can see some progress. I think the hardest
>>>>>> thing
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> me to learn, and to explain is that it is acceptable to fail. It
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> mean that you are less of a person. Everyone fails at something. I
>>>>>> keep
>>>>>> trying new things, and I do some of them well, and some of them badly.
>>>>>> It's
>>>>>> interesting to see which I learn the most from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Find some blind people who you like in your area. Find some who will
>>>>>> teach
>>>>>> you the things that they do. None of us would have planed to be blind,
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> we a choice. Since we didn't, some of us are happy, successful, and
>>>>>> satisfied with life anyway. As I write, I remember a book I recently
>>>>>> read
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> a fellow named Mike May. Mike now runs Sendero Group, doing GPS
>>>>>> systems.
>>>>>> He's a nice guy, and I met him long before he was successful. The book
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> called Crashing Through. I found it interesting in that Michael is a
>>>>>> guy
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> just never learned to fail. He failed until he found ways to succeed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't know if this helps or not. Please let us know how you're doing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Dewey Bradley
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:40 PM
>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Garry makes some very good points indeed.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>>>>> To: "'Gary Wunder'" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "'Blind Talk Mailing
>>>>>> List'"
>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:04 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gary makes some very good points here as well. It would simply be
>>>>>>> untrue for me to tell you that there are no advantages to being
>>>>>>> sighted, or disadvantages to being blind. Just as there are
>>>>>>> advantages
>>>>>>> to having money, v. not  having as much. If Bill Gates decides that
>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>> wants to order a pizza on a Friday night for dinner, he doesn't have
>>>>>>> to stop and think about whether or not he can afford it the way that
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The point is though, that there are ways around most of these things.
>>>>>>> We find those ways, most of them are not insurmountable,  and we lead
>>>>>>> productive and full lives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Diane Graves
>>>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>>>> 317-232-2647
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>>>>>> George Washington Carver
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>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:25 PM
>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with disability vs
>>>>>>> nondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter, you have asked many questions and I am certain in one sitting
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> can't begin to response to them all. Even this assumes I know all the
>>>>>>> answers, which I most certainly do not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I throw out these ideas and observations with the suggestion that you
>>>>>>> take what you like and leave the rest. It does no good to compare
>>>>>>> yourself with what you might have been. In the first place, you don't
>>>>>>> know what you might have been. I might be angry because my Dad was
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> owner of a successful construction business which I could have run
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> might be far better off financially than I am now. Without sight, I
>>>>>>> can't run the heavy equipment so perhaps I should be angry. Because I
>>>>>>> am blind, I traveled a different road, went to college, got a degree,
>>>>>>> and work as a computer programmer. That college experience introduced
>>>>>>> me to good books, to different thoughts about the world, and to a
>>>>>>> tolerance of other people I'd never have gotten had I stayed at home.
>>>>>>> Which life is the better? Unfortunately this is a question without an
>>>>>>> answer. I have to make of my life what is possible, without spending
>>>>>>> too much time grieving about some alternative future.
>>>>>>> In your note you acknowledge a lot of problems. Acknowledging one has
>>>>>>> a problem is often the first step on the road to solving it, but
>>>>>>> sometimes that acknowledgement is simply a way of stating the problem
>>>>>>> and the more we state it, the more we come to like the way we say it.
>>>>>>> We grow accustomed to the burden of that problem, and rather than
>>>>>>> using our admission to solve it, we carry it like a badge of honor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my own work, I can tell you that blineness makes many things hard
>>>>>>> which others find easy. They see computer screens and what is wanted
>>>>>>> from them is obvious. I hear computer screens and have to often work
>>>>>>> pretty hard to figure out what is wanted and where I am on the
>>>>>>> screen.
>>>>>>> I can make a real case for how disadvantaged this makes me, but the
>>>>>>> more important thing is that I figure it out and be productive enough
>>>>>>> I can bring home a pay check.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You talk about the country in which you were born. There may be
>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>> countries in which to be blind, but I am certain the majority are
>>>>>>> worse.
>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>> your country you have the opportunity to make a contract with our
>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>> That contract says that we, all of us, will help you with training
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> equipment if, in return, you will try your hardest to take that
>>>>>>> equipment and training and put it to a productive use - preferably a
>>>>>>> use which will pay you. You will then pay taxes, buy a home, support
>>>>>>> your local businesses, not to mention Wal-Mart, and everyone wins.
>>>>>>> Winning isn't easy, but it is far easier than carrying around the
>>>>>>> anger for what you might have been if only you had tried.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Take your anger and, if you can, turn it into resolve. Look at your
>>>>>>> situation, acknowledge there are disadvantages, and at the same time
>>>>>>> determine how you can benefit from where you find yourself. If you
>>>>>>> constantly live with the dream of driving the car you once had,
>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>> be disappointed. If you live with the dream of the dcar which may
>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>> to be if we who are blind work together, then your sadness may just
>>>>>>> become a tool for hope.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wish you all the luck in the world, and where luck stops and
>>>>>>> personal responsibility begins, I wish you the courage to take it on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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