[Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety

Dewey Bradley dewey.bradley at att.net
Thu Jun 3 16:56:26 UTC 2010 

I don't think that anyone is meaning to talk down to you or put you down.
They are just giveing you support as a blind person.
You came on this list and posted a message, but when people reply trying to 
help you, you get mad and start calling them stuff, everyone on this list 
means well I'm shore.
good day to you.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority 
complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety


> Will you guys read my posts? You guys can't read or something? I am
> not harping about this anymore. I posted another thread and yet
> another one cause you are not obviously reading anything that I am
> say9ing. Man you guys in NFB are hypocritical as hell towards issues
> like getting initial help. I can quote of many times. I am not sitting
> on my keyster either cause if you would read my post I have already
> rebuked you. Read first before posting.
>
> On 6/3/10, Gloria Whipple <fairyfoot at webband.com> wrote:
>> Way to go Mike!
>>
>>
>> Gloria Whipple
>> Corrisponding secretary
>> Inland Empire chapter
>> nfb of WA
>>
>> cell number: 509-475-4993
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:53 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority
>> complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>
>> Peter:
>>
>> It strikes me that you're having a whale of a good time thinking of 
>> things a
>>
>> blind person *cannot* do. Tell me: do you really enjoy sitting on your
>> posterior all day crying: "Woe is me?" Snap out of it. Were you to come 
>> to
>> the NFB convention in Dallas, I bet I could introduce you to two or three
>> farmers (which is two or three more farmers who are blind than sighted 
>> ones
>> I know) and one of the members of the Board of Directors was a derry 
>> farmer
>> for some time and may still do a bit of it.
>>
>> Stop thinking of what blind folks *can't* do and start thinking: "What am
>> *I* going to do with my life? What am I interested in? How much time, 
>> effort
>>
>> and energy am I willing to put into that interest?"
>>
>>
>> Grab the world by the short hairs and tell it who's boss!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority
>> complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>
>>
>>> Julie:
>>>
>>>
>>>   How many blind people are farmers? I bet not even a percent and I
>>> bet they have firm rootxs from generation to generation within their
>>> church. So, the family of massive wealth resources also helps as well.
>>> They grow their own food and can be able. How well can they see? Do
>>> they have a spouse or other relative nearby? I know of this cause I
>>> know someone in a simular situation with his own acrage and has his
>>> sister to help out tremendously. Not all of us have relatives alive
>>> anymore or if so aren't functionally able to do so. I am just saying.
>>>
>>> On 6/2/10, Julie J <julielj at windstream.net> wrote:
>>>> What happens to the blind people who want to be farmers?
>>>>
>>>> Just sayin' public transportation isn't the miracle cure for 
>>>> everything.
>>>>
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:06 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You need to take responsibility and move to areas where there is
>>>>> adequate
>>>>> public transportation!
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:00 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If personal responsability was a mantra strong enough how come it is
>>>>>> that blind people in particilar are not gainfully employed? Some 
>>>>>> areas
>>>>>> don't facilitate transportation and I have been around virtually all
>>>>>> types of blind people. There is a good number that can't get hired 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> private companies in particilar go against it  like Goergia Pacific 
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> have halfway commitments like car plants. Then, government layoffs as
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>    Another thing is that many legallly blind people post about an
>>>>>> almost completely blind prospective. Perhaps some of this can be 
>>>>>> done.
>>>>>> However, I've ran across plenty of blind people in my opinion that
>>>>>> have people pick up after them. I mean that it's not as independent
>>>>>> cause they don't want to be or people pity them too much. There are
>>>>>> limitations even with the best accessability and acknowledging them 
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> a good realistic approach. Then, my interests and dislikes and I've
>>>>>> done that. I've researched these areas and what it boils down to is
>>>>>> insecurity with being blind.
>>>>>>    About my local NFB branch. Since Mike Jones has been away for a
>>>>>> unknown set time to Hawaii to the last time I've heard that Auburn's
>>>>>> NFB is nothing? It's mainly in bigger cities. How do you meet blind
>>>>>> people then? The Program for Students with Disabilities isn't a 
>>>>>> social
>>>>>> networking site unfortunately. It is okay via e-mail and I have ran
>>>>>> into three blind people here just one has left and that is about it.
>>>>>>    What would you do about choosing to change your major into
>>>>>> something with more creativity or teaching that you won't be
>>>>>> complained about doing cause they have already paid so much? 
>>>>>> Initially
>>>>>> when I started college I wanted to be a lawyer but I realize they is 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> element of corruption and huge sin risks by word scrambling to suit
>>>>>> your own agenda that I don't like at all. So, the psychology field,
>>>>>> history and political science all weren't what I wanted. There is 
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> initative to get math and science students at Auburn to do that 
>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>    I have to take calculus 1 and or calculus 2 but I don't know
>>>>>> neimith code. How logn do you think it could take someone with
>>>>>> virtually no experience to learn the basics for that course? I might
>>>>>> just get a tutor though and do it that way. If there is computer
>>>>>> scientists on the list just e-mail me. I don't beleieve that blind
>>>>>> people have to do all of this calculus information like some have
>>>>>> fabricated though. Arrogance is hard to deal with supposedly
>>>>>> successful blind people. I owuld like to own my own company!
>>>>>> note: thanks to all of you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/2/10, Hyde, David W. (ESC) <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us> wrote:
>>>>>>> Peter, I started to reply several times. Gary and Steve both make 
>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>> points. They said the things I wanted to say. Let me add that I know
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> wouldn't have had the type of encouragement I have had were it not 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>> blind. I have had the boone of meeting more successful people than
>>>>>>> most,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> finding that they are willing to share their secrets (mostly hard 
>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> techniques that make sense once you learn them) with me. They then
>>>>>>> expected
>>>>>>> me to pass them on to others. I have learned to try my best.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You sound like a fellow who has a number of things going on at the
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> time. Please don't try to solve them all at once. If you can
>>>>>>> prioritize
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> needs (it's hard, but it is the only way to get them all down) and
>>>>>>> deal
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> them one at a time, you can see some progress. I think the hardest
>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> me to learn, and to explain is that it is acceptable to fail. It
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> mean that you are less of a person. Everyone fails at something. I
>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>> trying new things, and I do some of them well, and some of them 
>>>>>>> badly.
>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>> interesting to see which I learn the most from.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Find some blind people who you like in your area. Find some who will
>>>>>>> teach
>>>>>>> you the things that they do. None of us would have planed to be 
>>>>>>> blind,
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> we a choice. Since we didn't, some of us are happy, successful, and
>>>>>>> satisfied with life anyway. As I write, I remember a book I recently
>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> a fellow named Mike May. Mike now runs Sendero Group, doing GPS
>>>>>>> systems.
>>>>>>> He's a nice guy, and I met him long before he was successful. The 
>>>>>>> book
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> called Crashing Through. I found it interesting in that Michael is a
>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> just never learned to fail. He failed until he found ways to 
>>>>>>> succeed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't know if this helps or not. Please let us know how you're 
>>>>>>> doing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Dewey Bradley
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:40 PM
>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Garry makes some very good points indeed.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>>>>>> To: "'Gary Wunder'" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "'Blind Talk Mailing
>>>>>>> List'"
>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:04 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gary makes some very good points here as well. It would simply be
>>>>>>>> untrue for me to tell you that there are no advantages to being
>>>>>>>> sighted, or disadvantages to being blind. Just as there are
>>>>>>>> advantages
>>>>>>>> to having money, v. not  having as much. If Bill Gates decides that
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>> wants to order a pizza on a Friday night for dinner, he doesn't 
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> to stop and think about whether or not he can afford it the way 
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The point is though, that there are ways around most of these 
>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>> We find those ways, most of them are not insurmountable,  and we 
>>>>>>>> lead
>>>>>>>> productive and full lives.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Diane Graves
>>>>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>>>>> 317-232-2647
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>>>>>>> George Washington Carver
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>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:25 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with disability vs
>>>>>>>> nondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter, you have asked many questions and I am certain in one 
>>>>>>>> sitting
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> can't begin to response to them all. Even this assumes I know all 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> answers, which I most certainly do not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I throw out these ideas and observations with the suggestion that 
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> take what you like and leave the rest. It does no good to compare
>>>>>>>> yourself with what you might have been. In the first place, you 
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>> know what you might have been. I might be angry because my Dad was
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> owner of a successful construction business which I could have run
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> might be far better off financially than I am now. Without sight, I
>>>>>>>> can't run the heavy equipment so perhaps I should be angry. Because 
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> am blind, I traveled a different road, went to college, got a 
>>>>>>>> degree,
>>>>>>>> and work as a computer programmer. That college experience 
>>>>>>>> introduced
>>>>>>>> me to good books, to different thoughts about the world, and to a
>>>>>>>> tolerance of other people I'd never have gotten had I stayed at 
>>>>>>>> home.
>>>>>>>> Which life is the better? Unfortunately this is a question without 
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> answer. I have to make of my life what is possible, without 
>>>>>>>> spending
>>>>>>>> too much time grieving about some alternative future.
>>>>>>>> In your note you acknowledge a lot of problems. Acknowledging one 
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> a problem is often the first step on the road to solving it, but
>>>>>>>> sometimes that acknowledgement is simply a way of stating the 
>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>> and the more we state it, the more we come to like the way we say 
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>> We grow accustomed to the burden of that problem, and rather than
>>>>>>>> using our admission to solve it, we carry it like a badge of honor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In my own work, I can tell you that blineness makes many things 
>>>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>>> which others find easy. They see computer screens and what is 
>>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>>> from them is obvious. I hear computer screens and have to often 
>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>> pretty hard to figure out what is wanted and where I am on the
>>>>>>>> screen.
>>>>>>>> I can make a real case for how disadvantaged this makes me, but the
>>>>>>>> more important thing is that I figure it out and be productive 
>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>> I can bring home a pay check.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You talk about the country in which you were born. There may be
>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>> countries in which to be blind, but I am certain the majority are
>>>>>>>> worse.
>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>> your country you have the opportunity to make a contract with our
>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>> That contract says that we, all of us, will help you with training
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> equipment if, in return, you will try your hardest to take that
>>>>>>>> equipment and training and put it to a productive use - preferably 
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> use which will pay you. You will then pay taxes, buy a home, 
>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>> your local businesses, not to mention Wal-Mart, and everyone wins.
>>>>>>>> Winning isn't easy, but it is far easier than carrying around the
>>>>>>>> anger for what you might have been if only you had tried.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Take your anger and, if you can, turn it into resolve. Look at your
>>>>>>>> situation, acknowledge there are disadvantages, and at the same 
>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>> determine how you can benefit from where you find yourself. If you
>>>>>>>> constantly live with the dream of driving the car you once had,
>>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>>> be disappointed. If you live with the dream of the dcar which may
>>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>>> to be if we who are blind work together, then your sadness may just
>>>>>>>> become a tool for hope.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wish you all the luck in the world, and where luck stops and
>>>>>>>> personal responsibility begins, I wish you the courage to take it 
>>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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