[Blindtlk] inferiority complex???

Thu Jun 3 22:48:09 UTC 2010

If that is so, quit posting!

Gloria Whipple
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Inland Empire chapter
nfb of WA

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Peter Wolfe
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:17 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] inferiority complex???

You guys don't read anything that I have posted and what is the poing.

On 6/3/10, Elizabeth Campbell <batescampbell at charter.net> wrote:
> Hi Marty!
>
> That's great you are exhibiting at the convention. I like seeing people
> whether blind or sighted use their ingenuity and make  the best of their
> situations.
>
> Where is your company located? Also, will you have your coffees for sale
in
> Dallas??
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Liz Campbell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marty James" <blindamp at q.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:34 AM
> Subject: [Blindtlk] inferiority complex???
>
>
>>I am not sure what the big deal is, I lost my leg and my eyes at the same
>>time and said how can I use this to my advantage...
>> I was a graphic designer when I went blind so there is a little adjusting
>> but I came up with a plan. I am now the owner of a company called The
>> Blind Bean and I sell some of the best coffee beans in the country from
>> all over the world. In fact, I am exhibiting at the NFB Convention this
>> year, I hope you come by and see me!!
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority
>> complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>
>>
>>> On 6/2/10, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>>> Peter:
>>>>
>>>> It strikes me that you're having a whale of a good time thinking of
>>>> things a
>>>> blind person *cannot* do. Tell me: do you really enjoy sitting on your
>>>> posterior all day crying: "Woe is me?" Snap out of it. Were you to come
>>>> to
>>>> the NFB convention in Dallas, I bet I could introduce you to two or
>>>> three
>>>> farmers (which is two or three more farmers who are blind than sighted
>>>> ones
>>>> I know) and one of the members of the Board of Directors was a derry
>>>> farmer
>>>> for some time and may still do a bit of it.
>>>>
>>>> Stop thinking of what blind folks *can't* do and start thinking: "What
>>>> am
>>>> *I* going to do with my life? What am I interested in? How much time,
>>>> effort
>>>> and energy am I willing to put into that interest?"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Grab the world by the short hairs and tell it who's boss!
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:25 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority
>>>> complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Julie:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   How many blind people are farmers? I bet not even a percent and I
>>>>> bet they have firm rootxs from generation to generation within their
>>>>> church. So, the family of massive wealth resources also helps as well.
>>>>> They grow their own food and can be able. How well can they see? Do
>>>>> they have a spouse or other relative nearby? I know of this cause I
>>>>> know someone in a simular situation with his own acrage and has his
>>>>> sister to help out tremendously. Not all of us have relatives alive
>>>>> anymore or if so aren't functionally able to do so. I am just saying.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/2/10, Julie J <julielj at windstream.net> wrote:
>>>>>> What happens to the blind people who want to be farmers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just sayin' public transportation isn't the miracle cure for
>>>>>> everything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:06 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You need to take responsibility and move to areas where there is
>>>>>>> adequate
>>>>>>> public transportation!
>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:00 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If personal responsability was a mantra strong enough how come it
is
>>>>>>>> that blind people in particilar are not gainfully employed? Some
>>>>>>>> areas
>>>>>>>> don't facilitate transportation and I have been around virtually
all
>>>>>>>> types of blind people. There is a good number that can't get hired
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> private companies in particilar go against it  like Goergia Pacific
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> have halfway commitments like car plants. Then, government layoffs
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>    Another thing is that many legallly blind people post about an
>>>>>>>> almost completely blind prospective. Perhaps some of this can be
>>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>> However, I've ran across plenty of blind people in my opinion that
>>>>>>>> have people pick up after them. I mean that it's not as independent
>>>>>>>> cause they don't want to be or people pity them too much. There are
>>>>>>>> limitations even with the best accessability and acknowledging them
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> a good realistic approach. Then, my interests and dislikes and I've
>>>>>>>> done that. I've researched these areas and what it boils down to is
>>>>>>>> insecurity with being blind.
>>>>>>>>    About my local NFB branch. Since Mike Jones has been away for a
>>>>>>>> unknown set time to Hawaii to the last time I've heard that
Auburn's
>>>>>>>> NFB is nothing? It's mainly in bigger cities. How do you meet blind
>>>>>>>> people then? The Program for Students with Disabilities isn't a
>>>>>>>> social
>>>>>>>> networking site unfortunately. It is okay via e-mail and I have ran
>>>>>>>> into three blind people here just one has left and that is about
it.
>>>>>>>>    What would you do about choosing to change your major into
>>>>>>>> something with more creativity or teaching that you won't be
>>>>>>>> complained about doing cause they have already paid so much?
>>>>>>>> Initially
>>>>>>>> when I started college I wanted to be a lawyer but I realize they
is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> element of corruption and huge sin risks by word scrambling to suit
>>>>>>>> your own agenda that I don't like at all. So, the psychology field,
>>>>>>>> history and political science all weren't what I wanted. There is
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> initative to get math and science students at Auburn to do that
>>>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>>>    I have to take calculus 1 and or calculus 2 but I don't know
>>>>>>>> neimith code. How logn do you think it could take someone with
>>>>>>>> virtually no experience to learn the basics for that course? I
might
>>>>>>>> just get a tutor though and do it that way. If there is computer
>>>>>>>> scientists on the list just e-mail me. I don't beleieve that blind
>>>>>>>> people have to do all of this calculus information like some have
>>>>>>>> fabricated though. Arrogance is hard to deal with supposedly
>>>>>>>> successful blind people. I owuld like to own my own company!
>>>>>>>> note: thanks to all of you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/2/10, Hyde, David W. (ESC) <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Peter, I started to reply several times. Gary and Steve both make
>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>> points. They said the things I wanted to say. Let me add that I
>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> wouldn't have had the type of encouragement I have had were it not
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>> blind. I have had the boone of meeting more successful people than
>>>>>>>>> most,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> finding that they are willing to share their secrets (mostly hard
>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> techniques that make sense once you learn them) with me. They then
>>>>>>>>> expected
>>>>>>>>> me to pass them on to others. I have learned to try my best.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You sound like a fellow who has a number of things going on at the
>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>> time. Please don't try to solve them all at once. If you can
>>>>>>>>> prioritize
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> needs (it's hard, but it is the only way to get them all down) and
>>>>>>>>> deal
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> them one at a time, you can see some progress. I think the hardest
>>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> me to learn, and to explain is that it is acceptable to fail. It
>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>> mean that you are less of a person. Everyone fails at something. I
>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>> trying new things, and I do some of them well, and some of them
>>>>>>>>> badly.
>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>> interesting to see which I learn the most from.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Find some blind people who you like in your area. Find some who
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> teach
>>>>>>>>> you the things that they do. None of us would have planed to be
>>>>>>>>> blind,
>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>> we a choice. Since we didn't, some of us are happy, successful,
and
>>>>>>>>> satisfied with life anyway. As I write, I remember a book I
>>>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>> a fellow named Mike May. Mike now runs Sendero Group, doing GPS
>>>>>>>>> systems.
>>>>>>>>> He's a nice guy, and I met him long before he was successful. The
>>>>>>>>> book
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> called Crashing Through. I found it interesting in that Michael is
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>> just never learned to fail. He failed until he found ways to
>>>>>>>>> succeed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don't know if this helps or not. Please let us know how you're
>>>>>>>>> doing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Dewey Bradley
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:40 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Garry makes some very good points indeed.
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>>>>>>>> To: "'Gary Wunder'" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "'Blind Talk Mailing
>>>>>>>>> List'"
>>>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:04 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gary makes some very good points here as well. It would simply be
>>>>>>>>>> untrue for me to tell you that there are no advantages to being
>>>>>>>>>> sighted, or disadvantages to being blind. Just as there are
>>>>>>>>>> advantages
>>>>>>>>>> to having money, v. not  having as much. If Bill Gates decides
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>> wants to order a pizza on a Friday night for dinner, he doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> to stop and think about whether or not he can afford it the way
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The point is though, that there are ways around most of these
>>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>>> We find those ways, most of them are not insurmountable,  and we
>>>>>>>>>> lead
>>>>>>>>>> productive and full lives.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Diane Graves
>>>>>>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>>>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>>>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>>>>>>> 317-232-2647
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>>>>>>>>> George Washington Carver
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:25 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with disability vs
>>>>>>>>>> nondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peter, you have asked many questions and I am certain in one
>>>>>>>>>> sitting
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> can't begin to response to them all. Even this assumes I know all
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> answers, which I most certainly do not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I throw out these ideas and observations with the suggestion that
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> take what you like and leave the rest. It does no good to compare
>>>>>>>>>> yourself with what you might have been. In the first place, you
>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>> know what you might have been. I might be angry because my Dad
was
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> owner of a successful construction business which I could have
run
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> might be far better off financially than I am now. Without sight,
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> can't run the heavy equipment so perhaps I should be angry.
>>>>>>>>>> Because I
>>>>>>>>>> am blind, I traveled a different road, went to college, got a
>>>>>>>>>> degree,
>>>>>>>>>> and work as a computer programmer. That college experience
>>>>>>>>>> introduced
>>>>>>>>>> me to good books, to different thoughts about the world, and to a
>>>>>>>>>> tolerance of other people I'd never have gotten had I stayed at
>>>>>>>>>> home.
>>>>>>>>>> Which life is the better? Unfortunately this is a question
without
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>> answer. I have to make of my life what is possible, without
>>>>>>>>>> spending
>>>>>>>>>> too much time grieving about some alternative future.
>>>>>>>>>> In your note you acknowledge a lot of problems. Acknowledging one
>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>> a problem is often the first step on the road to solving it, but
>>>>>>>>>> sometimes that acknowledgement is simply a way of stating the
>>>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>> and the more we state it, the more we come to like the way we say
>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>> We grow accustomed to the burden of that problem, and rather than
>>>>>>>>>> using our admission to solve it, we carry it like a badge of
>>>>>>>>>> honor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In my own work, I can tell you that blineness makes many things
>>>>>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>>>>> which others find easy. They see computer screens and what is
>>>>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>>>>> from them is obvious. I hear computer screens and have to often
>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>> pretty hard to figure out what is wanted and where I am on the
>>>>>>>>>> screen.
>>>>>>>>>> I can make a real case for how disadvantaged this makes me, but
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> more important thing is that I figure it out and be productive
>>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>> I can bring home a pay check.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You talk about the country in which you were born. There may be
>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>> countries in which to be blind, but I am certain the majority are
>>>>>>>>>> worse.
>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>> your country you have the opportunity to make a contract with our
>>>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>>> That contract says that we, all of us, will help you with
training
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> equipment if, in return, you will try your hardest to take that
>>>>>>>>>> equipment and training and put it to a productive use -
preferably
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> use which will pay you. You will then pay taxes, buy a home,
>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>> your local businesses, not to mention Wal-Mart, and everyone
wins.
>>>>>>>>>> Winning isn't easy, but it is far easier than carrying around the
>>>>>>>>>> anger for what you might have been if only you had tried.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Take your anger and, if you can, turn it into resolve. Look at
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> situation, acknowledge there are disadvantages, and at the same
>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>> determine how you can benefit from where you find yourself. If
you
>>>>>>>>>> constantly live with the dream of driving the car you once had,
>>>>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>>>>> be disappointed. If you live with the dream of the dcar which may
>>>>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>>>>> to be if we who are blind work together, then your sadness may
>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>> become a tool for hope.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I wish you all the luck in the world, and where luck stops and
>>>>>>>>>> personal responsibility begins, I wish you the courage to take it
>>>>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>> --
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>>> If you read all of my posts you would understand that I am not making
>>> up excuses. I have as an attestament to that being an individual not
>>> as a group. I want to brainstorm with people Mike. Do you understand?
>>> What are you guys's reading comprehension? I'm wondering cause I've
>>> not stayed on the excuse bit just merely introduced my unique problems
>>> to you. However. on here people are  mis informed on what I said.
>>>    I know that blind people have done programming and such. I want to
>>> know how they began that is all. I want updated practices like I have
>>> mentioned getting in contact with AFB Mentors on this same post. I
>>> have posted a second thread as well. Dude if you can't understand that
>>> I can't see how any of you got degrees seriously. I asked specific
>>> questions posted by blind professions with no answers on specifics to
>>> get started and understanding realistic approaches to complicated
>>> problems. Why can't you guys understand this?
>>>
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