[Blindtlk] inferiority complex???

Fri Jun 4 00:32:11 UTC 2010

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] inferiority complex???

> You guys don't read anything that I have posted and what is the poing.
>
> On 6/3/10, Elizabeth Campbell <batescampbell at charter.net> wrote:
>> Hi Marty!
>>
>> That's great you are exhibiting at the convention. I like seeing people
>> whether blind or sighted use their ingenuity and make  the best of their
>> situations.
>>
>> Where is your company located? Also, will you have your coffees for sale 
>> in
>> Dallas??
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>>
>>
>> Liz Campbell
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marty James" <blindamp at q.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:34 AM
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] inferiority complex???
>>
>>
>>>I am not sure what the big deal is, I lost my leg and my eyes at the same
>>>time and said how can I use this to my advantage...
>>> I was a graphic designer when I went blind so there is a little 
>>> adjusting
>>> but I came up with a plan. I am now the owner of a company called The
>>> Blind Bean and I sell some of the best coffee beans in the country from
>>> all over the world. In fact, I am exhibiting at the NFB Convention this
>>> year, I hope you come by and see me!!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:58 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority
>>> complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 6/2/10, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>>>> Peter:
>>>>>
>>>>> It strikes me that you're having a whale of a good time thinking of
>>>>> things a
>>>>> blind person *cannot* do. Tell me: do you really enjoy sitting on your
>>>>> posterior all day crying: "Woe is me?" Snap out of it. Were you to 
>>>>> come
>>>>> to
>>>>> the NFB convention in Dallas, I bet I could introduce you to two or
>>>>> three
>>>>> farmers (which is two or three more farmers who are blind than sighted
>>>>> ones
>>>>> I know) and one of the members of the Board of Directors was a derry
>>>>> farmer
>>>>> for some time and may still do a bit of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stop thinking of what blind folks *can't* do and start thinking: "What
>>>>> am
>>>>> *I* going to do with my life? What am I interested in? How much time,
>>>>> effort
>>>>> and energy am I willing to put into that interest?"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Grab the world by the short hairs and tell it who's boss!
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:25 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority
>>>>> complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Julie:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   How many blind people are farmers? I bet not even a percent and I
>>>>>> bet they have firm rootxs from generation to generation within their
>>>>>> church. So, the family of massive wealth resources also helps as 
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>> They grow their own food and can be able. How well can they see? Do
>>>>>> they have a spouse or other relative nearby? I know of this cause I
>>>>>> know someone in a simular situation with his own acrage and has his
>>>>>> sister to help out tremendously. Not all of us have relatives alive
>>>>>> anymore or if so aren't functionally able to do so. I am just saying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/2/10, Julie J <julielj at windstream.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> What happens to the blind people who want to be farmers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just sayin' public transportation isn't the miracle cure for
>>>>>>> everything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:06 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You need to take responsibility and move to areas where there is
>>>>>>>> adequate
>>>>>>>> public transportation!
>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:00 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If personal responsability was a mantra strong enough how come it 
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> that blind people in particilar are not gainfully employed? Some
>>>>>>>>> areas
>>>>>>>>> don't facilitate transportation and I have been around virtually 
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> types of blind people. There is a good number that can't get hired
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> private companies in particilar go against it  like Goergia 
>>>>>>>>> Pacific
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> have halfway commitments like car plants. Then, government layoffs
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>    Another thing is that many legallly blind people post about an
>>>>>>>>> almost completely blind prospective. Perhaps some of this can be
>>>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>>> However, I've ran across plenty of blind people in my opinion that
>>>>>>>>> have people pick up after them. I mean that it's not as 
>>>>>>>>> independent
>>>>>>>>> cause they don't want to be or people pity them too much. There 
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> limitations even with the best accessability and acknowledging 
>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> a good realistic approach. Then, my interests and dislikes and 
>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>> done that. I've researched these areas and what it boils down to 
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> insecurity with being blind.
>>>>>>>>>    About my local NFB branch. Since Mike Jones has been away for a
>>>>>>>>> unknown set time to Hawaii to the last time I've heard that 
>>>>>>>>> Auburn's
>>>>>>>>> NFB is nothing? It's mainly in bigger cities. How do you meet 
>>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>>> people then? The Program for Students with Disabilities isn't a
>>>>>>>>> social
>>>>>>>>> networking site unfortunately. It is okay via e-mail and I have 
>>>>>>>>> ran
>>>>>>>>> into three blind people here just one has left and that is about 
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>    What would you do about choosing to change your major into
>>>>>>>>> something with more creativity or teaching that you won't be
>>>>>>>>> complained about doing cause they have already paid so much?
>>>>>>>>> Initially
>>>>>>>>> when I started college I wanted to be a lawyer but I realize they 
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> element of corruption and huge sin risks by word scrambling to 
>>>>>>>>> suit
>>>>>>>>> your own agenda that I don't like at all. So, the psychology 
>>>>>>>>> field,
>>>>>>>>> history and political science all weren't what I wanted. There is
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> initative to get math and science students at Auburn to do that
>>>>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>>>>    I have to take calculus 1 and or calculus 2 but I don't know
>>>>>>>>> neimith code. How logn do you think it could take someone with
>>>>>>>>> virtually no experience to learn the basics for that course? I 
>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>> just get a tutor though and do it that way. If there is computer
>>>>>>>>> scientists on the list just e-mail me. I don't beleieve that blind
>>>>>>>>> people have to do all of this calculus information like some have
>>>>>>>>> fabricated though. Arrogance is hard to deal with supposedly
>>>>>>>>> successful blind people. I owuld like to own my own company!
>>>>>>>>> note: thanks to all of you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/2/10, Hyde, David W. (ESC) <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Peter, I started to reply several times. Gary and Steve both make
>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>> points. They said the things I wanted to say. Let me add that I
>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't have had the type of encouragement I have had were it 
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>> blind. I have had the boone of meeting more successful people 
>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>> most,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> finding that they are willing to share their secrets (mostly hard
>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> techniques that make sense once you learn them) with me. They 
>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>> expected
>>>>>>>>>> me to pass them on to others. I have learned to try my best.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You sound like a fellow who has a number of things going on at 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>> time. Please don't try to solve them all at once. If you can
>>>>>>>>>> prioritize
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> needs (it's hard, but it is the only way to get them all down) 
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> deal
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> them one at a time, you can see some progress. I think the 
>>>>>>>>>> hardest
>>>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> me to learn, and to explain is that it is acceptable to fail. It
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> mean that you are less of a person. Everyone fails at something. 
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>> trying new things, and I do some of them well, and some of them
>>>>>>>>>> badly.
>>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>> interesting to see which I learn the most from.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Find some blind people who you like in your area. Find some who
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>> teach
>>>>>>>>>> you the things that they do. None of us would have planed to be
>>>>>>>>>> blind,
>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>> we a choice. Since we didn't, some of us are happy, successful, 
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> satisfied with life anyway. As I write, I remember a book I
>>>>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>> a fellow named Mike May. Mike now runs Sendero Group, doing GPS
>>>>>>>>>> systems.
>>>>>>>>>> He's a nice guy, and I met him long before he was successful. The
>>>>>>>>>> book
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> called Crashing Through. I found it interesting in that Michael 
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>> just never learned to fail. He failed until he found ways to
>>>>>>>>>> succeed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Don't know if this helps or not. Please let us know how you're
>>>>>>>>>> doing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Dewey Bradley
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Garry makes some very good points indeed.
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "'Gary Wunder'" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "'Blind Talk Mailing
>>>>>>>>>> List'"
>>>>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:04 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gary makes some very good points here as well. It would simply 
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> untrue for me to tell you that there are no advantages to being
>>>>>>>>>>> sighted, or disadvantages to being blind. Just as there are
>>>>>>>>>>> advantages
>>>>>>>>>>> to having money, v. not  having as much. If Bill Gates decides
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>> wants to order a pizza on a Friday night for dinner, he doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> to stop and think about whether or not he can afford it the way
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The point is though, that there are ways around most of these
>>>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>>>> We find those ways, most of them are not insurmountable,  and we
>>>>>>>>>>> lead
>>>>>>>>>>> productive and full lives.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Diane Graves
>>>>>>>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>>>>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>>>>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>>>>>>>> 317-232-2647
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>>>>>>>>>> George Washington Carver
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:25 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with disability vs
>>>>>>>>>>> nondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter, you have asked many questions and I am certain in one
>>>>>>>>>>> sitting
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> can't begin to response to them all. Even this assumes I know 
>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> answers, which I most certainly do not.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I throw out these ideas and observations with the suggestion 
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> take what you like and leave the rest. It does no good to 
>>>>>>>>>>> compare
>>>>>>>>>>> yourself with what you might have been. In the first place, you
>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> know what you might have been. I might be angry because my Dad 
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> owner of a successful construction business which I could have 
>>>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> might be far better off financially than I am now. Without 
>>>>>>>>>>> sight,
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> can't run the heavy equipment so perhaps I should be angry.
>>>>>>>>>>> Because I
>>>>>>>>>>> am blind, I traveled a different road, went to college, got a
>>>>>>>>>>> degree,
>>>>>>>>>>> and work as a computer programmer. That college experience
>>>>>>>>>>> introduced
>>>>>>>>>>> me to good books, to different thoughts about the world, and to 
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> tolerance of other people I'd never have gotten had I stayed at
>>>>>>>>>>> home.
>>>>>>>>>>> Which life is the better? Unfortunately this is a question 
>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>> answer. I have to make of my life what is possible, without
>>>>>>>>>>> spending
>>>>>>>>>>> too much time grieving about some alternative future.
>>>>>>>>>>> In your note you acknowledge a lot of problems. Acknowledging 
>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>> a problem is often the first step on the road to solving it, but
>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes that acknowledgement is simply a way of stating the
>>>>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>>> and the more we state it, the more we come to like the way we 
>>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>> We grow accustomed to the burden of that problem, and rather 
>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>> using our admission to solve it, we carry it like a badge of
>>>>>>>>>>> honor.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In my own work, I can tell you that blineness makes many things
>>>>>>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>>>>>> which others find easy. They see computer screens and what is
>>>>>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>>>>>> from them is obvious. I hear computer screens and have to often
>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>> pretty hard to figure out what is wanted and where I am on the
>>>>>>>>>>> screen.
>>>>>>>>>>> I can make a real case for how disadvantaged this makes me, but
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> more important thing is that I figure it out and be productive
>>>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>>> I can bring home a pay check.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You talk about the country in which you were born. There may be
>>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>>> countries in which to be blind, but I am certain the majority 
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> worse.
>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>> your country you have the opportunity to make a contract with 
>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>>>> That contract says that we, all of us, will help you with 
>>>>>>>>>>> training
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> equipment if, in return, you will try your hardest to take that
>>>>>>>>>>> equipment and training and put it to a productive use - 
>>>>>>>>>>> preferably
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> use which will pay you. You will then pay taxes, buy a home,
>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>> your local businesses, not to mention Wal-Mart, and everyone 
>>>>>>>>>>> wins.
>>>>>>>>>>> Winning isn't easy, but it is far easier than carrying around 
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> anger for what you might have been if only you had tried.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Take your anger and, if you can, turn it into resolve. Look at
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> situation, acknowledge there are disadvantages, and at the same
>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>> determine how you can benefit from where you find yourself. If 
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> constantly live with the dream of driving the car you once had,
>>>>>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>>>>>> be disappointed. If you live with the dream of the dcar which 
>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>>>>>> to be if we who are blind work together, then your sadness may
>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>> become a tool for hope.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I wish you all the luck in the world, and where luck stops and
>>>>>>>>>>> personal responsibility begins, I wish you the courage to take 
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>> Webmaster
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>>>> If you read all of my posts you would understand that I am not making
>>>> up excuses. I have as an attestament to that being an individual not
>>>> as a group. I want to brainstorm with people Mike. Do you understand?
>>>> What are you guys's reading comprehension? I'm wondering cause I've
>>>> not stayed on the excuse bit just merely introduced my unique problems
>>>> to you. However. on here people are  mis informed on what I said.
>>>>    I know that blind people have done programming and such. I want to
>>>> know how they began that is all. I want updated practices like I have
>>>> mentioned getting in contact with AFB Mentors on this same post. I
>>>> have posted a second thread as well. Dude if you can't understand that
>>>> I can't see how any of you got degrees seriously. I asked specific
>>>> questions posted by blind professions with no answers on specifics to
>>>> get started and understanding realistic approaches to complicated
>>>> problems. Why can't you guys understand this?
>>>>
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