[Blindtlk] inferiority complex???

Fri Jun 4 18:00:40 UTC 2010

Steve, I get my coffee auto delivered from Amazon.  It is amazingly 
inexpensive and you can set it up for every month, 2 months or 
whatever you like.  Always good to save a few bucks.  They also have 
Green Mountain.

Connie Canode
At 10:59 AM 6/4/2010, you wrote:
>I love my kurig.  I buy the coffee from Green Mountain coffee.
>
>Steve
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Weingartner, Paul" <PWeingartner at ag.org>
>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 9:48 AM
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] inferiority complex???
>
>
>>Kurig sells a basket capsule for loading your own coffee.  We grind our
>>own beans of our preferred brand and flavors and rarely use the Kurig
>>k-cups.
>>Paul
>>
>>"making the cross accessible"
>>Paul Weingartner
>>National Representative for the Blind
>>Director of
>>Center for the Blind of the Assemblies of God
>>P 417.831.1964   F 417.862.5120
>>www.blind.ag.org
>>www.blindonline.ag.org
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>On Behalf Of Constance Canode
>>Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 7:41 AM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] inferiority complex???
>>
>>Hi Marty,
>>
>>Congratulations on your business.  I have one question for you.  I
>>have a Kurig brewer that takes the K-cups.  Is there any chance you
>>might be able to use those?  If not, I still may order coffee anyway,
>>as I do have a small French press that I use when I really want
>>something extra special.  However, those K-cups are wonderful.  As a
>>true coffee addict, having a shot of caffeine in less than 30 seconds
>>is a treat.  I wish you lots of good luck.
>>
>>Connie Canode
>>At 07:58 AM 6/3/2010, you wrote:
>>>Hi Marty!
>>>
>>>That's great you are exhibiting at the convention. I like seeing people
>>>whether blind or sighted use their ingenuity and make  the best of
>>their
>>>situations.
>>>
>>>Where is your company located? Also, will you have your coffees for
>>sale in
>>>Dallas??
>>>
>>>Sincerely,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Liz Campbell
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Marty James" <blindamp at q.com>
>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:34 AM
>>>Subject: [Blindtlk] inferiority complex???
>>>
>>>
>>> >I am not sure what the big deal is, I lost my leg and my eyes at the
>>same
>>> >time and said how can I use this to my advantage...
>>> > I was a graphic designer when I went blind so there is a little
>>adjusting
>>> > but I came up with a plan. I am now the owner of a company called
>>The
>>> > Blind Bean and I sell some of the best coffee beans in the country
>>from
>>> > all over the world. In fact, I am exhibiting at the NFB Convention
>>this
>>> > year, I hope you come by and see me!!
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:58 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority
>>> > complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On 6/2/10, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>> >>> Peter:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It strikes me that you're having a whale of a good time thinking
>>of
>>> >>> things a
>>> >>> blind person *cannot* do. Tell me: do you really enjoy sitting on
>>your
>>> >>> posterior all day crying: "Woe is me?" Snap out of it. Were you to
>>come
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> the NFB convention in Dallas, I bet I could introduce you to two
>>or
>>> >>> three
>>> >>> farmers (which is two or three more farmers who are blind than
>>sighted
>>> >>> ones
>>> >>> I know) and one of the members of the Board of Directors was a
>>derry
>>> >>> farmer
>>> >>> for some time and may still do a bit of it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Stop thinking of what blind folks *can't* do and start thinking:
>>"What
>>> >>> am
>>> >>> *I* going to do with my life? What am I interested in? How much
>>time,
>>> >>> effort
>>> >>> and energy am I willing to put into that interest?"
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Grab the world by the short hairs and tell it who's boss!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mike
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>> >>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:25 PM
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority
>>> >>> complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Julie:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>   How many blind people are farmers? I bet not even a percent and
>>I
>>> >>>> bet they have firm rootxs from generation to generation within
>>their
>>> >>>> church. So, the family of massive wealth resources also helps as
>>well.
>>> >>>> They grow their own food and can be able. How well can they see?
>>Do
>>> >>>> they have a spouse or other relative nearby? I know of this cause
>>I
>>> >>>> know someone in a simular situation with his own acrage and has
>>his
>>> >>>> sister to help out tremendously. Not all of us have relatives
>>alive
>>> >>>> anymore or if so aren't functionally able to do so. I am just
>>saying.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On 6/2/10, Julie J <julielj at windstream.net> wrote:
>>> >>>>> What happens to the blind people who want to be farmers?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Just sayin' public transportation isn't the miracle cure for
>>> >>>>> everything.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Julie
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
>>> >>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:06 PM
>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
>>> >>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> You need to take responsibility and move to areas where there
>>is
>>> >>>>>> adequate
>>> >>>>>> public transportation!
>>> >>>>>> Steve
>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:00 PM
>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>> >>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> If personal responsability was a mantra strong enough how come
>>it is
>>> >>>>>>> that blind people in particilar are not gainfully employed?
>>Some
>>> >>>>>>> areas
>>> >>>>>>> don't facilitate transportation and I have been around
>>virtually all
>>> >>>>>>> types of blind people. There is a good number that can't get
>>hired
>>> >>>>>>> and
>>> >>>>>>> private companies in particilar go against it  like Goergia
>>Pacific
>>> >>>>>>> or
>>> >>>>>>> have halfway commitments like car plants. Then, government
>>layoffs
>>> >>>>>>> as
>>> >>>>>>> well.
>>> >>>>>>>    Another thing is that many legallly blind people post about
>>an
>>> >>>>>>> almost completely blind prospective. Perhaps some of this can
>>be
>>> >>>>>>> done.
>>> >>>>>>> However, I've ran across plenty of blind people in my opinion
>>that
>>> >>>>>>> have people pick up after them. I mean that it's not as
>>independent
>>> >>>>>>> cause they don't want to be or people pity them too much.
>>There are
>>> >>>>>>> limitations even with the best accessability and acknowledging
>>them
>>> >>>>>>> is
>>> >>>>>>> a good realistic approach. Then, my interests and dislikes and
>>I've
>>> >>>>>>> done that. I've researched these areas and what it boils down
>>to is
>>> >>>>>>> insecurity with being blind.
>>> >>>>>>>    About my local NFB branch. Since Mike Jones has been away
>>for a
>>> >>>>>>> unknown set time to Hawaii to the last time I've heard that
>>Auburn's
>>> >>>>>>> NFB is nothing? It's mainly in bigger cities. How do you meet
>>blind
>>> >>>>>>> people then? The Program for Students with Disabilities isn't
>>a
>>> >>>>>>> social
>>> >>>>>>> networking site unfortunately. It is okay via e-mail and I
>>have ran
>>> >>>>>>> into three blind people here just one has left and that is
>>about it.
>>> >>>>>>>    What would you do about choosing to change your major into
>>> >>>>>>> something with more creativity or teaching that you won't be
>>> >>>>>>> complained about doing cause they have already paid so much?
>>> >>>>>>> Initially
>>> >>>>>>> when I started college I wanted to be a lawyer but I realize
>>they is
>>> >>>>>>> a
>>> >>>>>>> element of corruption and huge sin risks by word scrambling to
>>suit
>>> >>>>>>> your own agenda that I don't like at all. So, the psychology
>>field,
>>> >>>>>>> history and political science all weren't what I wanted. There
>>is
>>> >>>>>>> this
>>> >>>>>>> initative to get math and science students at Auburn to do
>>that
>>> >>>>>>> stuff.
>>> >>>>>>>    I have to take calculus 1 and or calculus 2 but I don't
>>know
>>> >>>>>>> neimith code. How logn do you think it could take someone with
>>> >>>>>>> virtually no experience to learn the basics for that course? I
>>might
>>> >>>>>>> just get a tutor though and do it that way. If there is
>>computer
>>> >>>>>>> scientists on the list just e-mail me. I don't beleieve that
>>blind
>>> >>>>>>> people have to do all of this calculus information like some
>>have
>>> >>>>>>> fabricated though. Arrogance is hard to deal with supposedly
>>> >>>>>>> successful blind people. I owuld like to own my own company!
>>> >>>>>>> note: thanks to all of you
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> On 6/2/10, Hyde, David W. (ESC) <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us>
>>wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>> Peter, I started to reply several times. Gary and Steve both
>>make
>>> >>>>>>>> good
>>> >>>>>>>> points. They said the things I wanted to say. Let me add that
>>I
>>> >>>>>>>> know
>>> >>>>>>>> that
>>> >>>>>>>> I
>>> >>>>>>>> wouldn't have had the type of encouragement I have had were
>>it not
>>> >>>>>>>> for
>>> >>>>>>>> being
>>> >>>>>>>> blind. I have had the boone of meeting more successful people
>>than
>>> >>>>>>>> most,
>>> >>>>>>>> and
>>> >>>>>>>> finding that they are willing to share their secrets (mostly
>>hard
>>> >>>>>>>> work
>>> >>>>>>>> and
>>> >>>>>>>> techniques that make sense once you learn them) with me. They
>>then
>>> >>>>>>>> expected
>>> >>>>>>>> me to pass them on to others. I have learned to try my best.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> You sound like a fellow who has a number of things going on
>>at the
>>> >>>>>>>> same
>>> >>>>>>>> time. Please don't try to solve them all at once. If you can
>>> >>>>>>>> prioritize
>>> >>>>>>>> your
>>> >>>>>>>> needs (it's hard, but it is the only way to get them all
>>down) and
>>> >>>>>>>> deal
>>> >>>>>>>> with
>>> >>>>>>>> them one at a time, you can see some progress. I think the
>>hardest
>>> >>>>>>>> thing
>>> >>>>>>>> for
>>> >>>>>>>> me to learn, and to explain is that it is acceptable to fail.
>>It
>>> >>>>>>>> doesn't
>>> >>>>>>>> mean that you are less of a person. Everyone fails at
>>something. I
>>> >>>>>>>> keep
>>> >>>>>>>> trying new things, and I do some of them well, and some of
>>them
>>> >>>>>>>> badly.
>>> >>>>>>>> It's
>>> >>>>>>>> interesting to see which I learn the most from.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Find some blind people who you like in your area. Find some
>>who
>>> >>>>>>>> will
>>> >>>>>>>> teach
>>> >>>>>>>> you the things that they do. None of us would have planed to
>>be
>>> >>>>>>>> blind,
>>> >>>>>>>> had
>>> >>>>>>>> we a choice. Since we didn't, some of us are happy,
>>successful, and
>>> >>>>>>>> satisfied with life anyway. As I write, I remember a book I
>>> >>>>>>>> recently
>>> >>>>>>>> read
>>> >>>>>>>> by
>>> >>>>>>>> a fellow named Mike May. Mike now runs Sendero Group, doing
>>GPS
>>> >>>>>>>> systems.
>>> >>>>>>>> He's a nice guy, and I met him long before he was successful.
>>The
>>> >>>>>>>> book
>>> >>>>>>>> is
>>> >>>>>>>> called Crashing Through. I found it interesting in that
>>Michael is
>>> >>>>>>>> a
>>> >>>>>>>> guy
>>> >>>>>>>> who
>>> >>>>>>>> just never learned to fail. He failed until he found ways to
>>> >>>>>>>> succeed.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Don't know if this helps or not. Please let us know how
>>you're
>>> >>>>>>>> doing.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> >>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> >>>>>>>> On
>>> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Dewey Bradley
>>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:40 PM
>>> >>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>> >>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Garry makes some very good points indeed.
>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>>>>>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>> >>>>>>>> To: "'Gary Wunder'" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "'Blind Talk
>>Mailing
>>> >>>>>>>> List'"
>>> >>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:04 PM
>>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>> >>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Peter,
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary makes some very good points here as well. It would
>>simply be
>>> >>>>>>>>> untrue for me to tell you that there are no advantages to
>>being
>>> >>>>>>>>> sighted, or disadvantages to being blind. Just as there are
>>> >>>>>>>>> advantages
>>> >>>>>>>>> to having money, v. not  having as much. If Bill Gates
>>decides
>>> >>>>>>>>> that
>>> >>>>>>>>> he
>>> >>>>>>>>> wants to order a pizza on a Friday night for dinner, he
>>doesn't
>>> >>>>>>>>> have
>>> >>>>>>>>> to stop and think about whether or not he can afford it the
>>way
>>> >>>>>>>>> that
>>> >>>>>>>>> I
>>> >>>>>>>>> do.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> The point is though, that there are ways around most of
>>these
>>> >>>>>>>>> things.
>>> >>>>>>>>> We find those ways, most of them are not insurmountable,
>>and we
>>> >>>>>>>>> lead
>>> >>>>>>>>> productive and full lives.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Diane Graves
>>> >>>>>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>> >>>>>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>> >>>>>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>> >>>>>>>>> 317-232-2647
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>> >>>>>>>>> George Washington Carver
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>>> >>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> >>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> >>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:25 PM
>>> >>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with disability
>>vs
>>> >>>>>>>>> nondisabledsociety
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Peter, you have asked many questions and I am certain in one
>>> >>>>>>>>> sitting
>>> >>>>>>>>> I
>>> >>>>>>>>> can't begin to response to them all. Even this assumes I
>>know all
>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>> answers, which I most certainly do not.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> I throw out these ideas and observations with the suggestion
>>that
>>> >>>>>>>>> you
>>> >>>>>>>>> take what you like and leave the rest. It does no good to
>>compare
>>> >>>>>>>>> yourself with what you might have been. In the first place,
>>you
>>> >>>>>>>>> don't
>>> >>>>>>>>> know what you might have been. I might be angry because my
>>Dad was
>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>> owner of a successful construction business which I could
>>have run
>>> >>>>>>>>> and
>>> >>>>>>>>> might be far better off financially than I am now. Without
>>sight,
>>> >>>>>>>>> I
>>> >>>>>>>>> can't run the heavy equipment so perhaps I should be angry.
>>> >>>>>>>>> Because I
>>> >>>>>>>>> am blind, I traveled a different road, went to college, got
>>a
>>> >>>>>>>>> degree,
>>> >>>>>>>>> and work as a computer programmer. That college experience
>>> >>>>>>>>> introduced
>>> >>>>>>>>> me to good books, to different thoughts about the world, and
>>to a
>>> >>>>>>>>> tolerance of other people I'd never have gotten had I stayed
>>at
>>> >>>>>>>>> home.
>>> >>>>>>>>> Which life is the better? Unfortunately this is a question
>>without
>>> >>>>>>>>> an
>>> >>>>>>>>> answer. I have to make of my life what is possible, without
>>> >>>>>>>>> spending
>>> >>>>>>>>> too much time grieving about some alternative future.
>>> >>>>>>>>> In your note you acknowledge a lot of problems.
>>Acknowledging one
>>> >>>>>>>>> has
>>> >>>>>>>>> a problem is often the first step on the road to solving it,
>>but
>>> >>>>>>>>> sometimes that acknowledgement is simply a way of stating
>>the
>>> >>>>>>>>> problem
>>> >>>>>>>>> and the more we state it, the more we come to like the way
>>we say
>>> >>>>>>>>> it.
>>> >>>>>>>>> We grow accustomed to the burden of that problem, and rather
>>than
>>> >>>>>>>>> using our admission to solve it, we carry it like a badge of
>>> >>>>>>>>> honor.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> In my own work, I can tell you that blineness makes many
>>things
>>> >>>>>>>>> hard
>>> >>>>>>>>> which others find easy. They see computer screens and what
>>is
>>> >>>>>>>>> wanted
>>> >>>>>>>>> from them is obvious. I hear computer screens and have to
>>often
>>> >>>>>>>>> work
>>> >>>>>>>>> pretty hard to figure out what is wanted and where I am on
>>the
>>> >>>>>>>>> screen.
>>> >>>>>>>>> I can make a real case for how disadvantaged this makes me,
>>but
>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>> more important thing is that I figure it out and be
>>productive
>>> >>>>>>>>> enough
>>> >>>>>>>>> I can bring home a pay check.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> You talk about the country in which you were born. There may
>>be
>>> >>>>>>>>> better
>>> >>>>>>>>> countries in which to be blind, but I am certain the
>>majority are
>>> >>>>>>>>> worse.
>>> >>>>>>>>> In
>>> >>>>>>>>> your country you have the opportunity to make a contract
>>with our
>>> >>>>>>>>> people.
>>> >>>>>>>>> That contract says that we, all of us, will help you with
>>training
>>> >>>>>>>>> and
>>> >>>>>>>>> equipment if, in return, you will try your hardest to take
>>that
>>> >>>>>>>>> equipment and training and put it to a productive use -
>>preferably
>>> >>>>>>>>> a
>>> >>>>>>>>> use which will pay you. You will then pay taxes, buy a home,
>>> >>>>>>>>> support
>>> >>>>>>>>> your local businesses, not to mention Wal-Mart, and everyone
>>wins.
>>> >>>>>>>>> Winning isn't easy, but it is far easier than carrying
>>around the
>>> >>>>>>>>> anger for what you might have been if only you had tried.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Take your anger and, if you can, turn it into resolve. Look
>>at
>>> >>>>>>>>> your
>>> >>>>>>>>> situation, acknowledge there are disadvantages, and at the
>>same
>>> >>>>>>>>> time
>>> >>>>>>>>> determine how you can benefit from where you find yourself.
>>If you
>>> >>>>>>>>> constantly live with the dream of driving the car you once
>>had,
>>> >>>>>>>>> you'll
>>> >>>>>>>>> be disappointed. If you live with the dream of the dcar
>>which may
>>> >>>>>>>>> come
>>> >>>>>>>>> to be if we who are blind work together, then your sadness
>>may
>>> >>>>>>>>> just
>>> >>>>>>>>> become a tool for hope.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> I wish you all the luck in the world, and where luck stops
>>and
>>> >>>>>>>>> personal responsibility begins, I wish you the courage to
>>take it
>>> >>>>>>>>> on.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
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>>> >> If you read all of my posts you would understand that I am not
>>making
>>> >> up excuses. I have as an attestament to that being an individual
>>not
>>> >> as a group. I want to brainstorm with people Mike. Do you
>>understand?
>>> >> What are you guys's reading comprehension? I'm wondering cause I've
>>> >> not stayed on the excuse bit just merely introduced my unique
>>problems
>>> >> to you. However. on here people are  mis informed on what I said.
>>> >>    I know that blind people have done programming and such. I want
>>to
>>> >> know how they began that is all. I want updated practices like I
>>have
>>> >> mentioned getting in contact with AFB Mentors on this same post. I
>>> >> have posted a second thread as well. Dude if you can't understand
>>that
>>> >> I can't see how any of you got degrees seriously. I asked specific
>>> >> questions posted by blind professions with no answers on specifics
>>to
>>> >> get started and understanding realistic approaches to complicated
>>> >> problems. Why can't you guys understand this?
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