[Blindtlk] Travel, Drivers, and canes

Mon Jun 7 20:18:19 UTC 2010

My experience with sighted folks, and I have had plenty, (laugh) is that 
when they are looking, they generally aren't listening. The beeping things 
are for blind folks. If you have small children, I would personally think 
twice about taking them across truly questionable intersections. There just 
isn't a simple answer when the bad intersection is out of your subdevision 
and everything you want to go to is on the other side of that intersection. 
I believe that someone else mentioned that sighted people probably don't 
even cross it. Perhaps because it is such a short distance, you might 
consider getting a cab just to get you across to the shopping. It might be 
worth the expense.
Best of luck.
Bonnie Lucas
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dewey Bradley" <dewey.bradley at att.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Travel, Drivers, and canes


> Because no one cares about what's around them, and we can't hear when 
> someone runns the light, witch they do all the time.
> We just whent around with someone on this list a week ago, you can hear 
> the cars, and can tell when it is clear to cross then.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mari Hunziker" <marihunziker at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 8:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Travel, Drivers, and canes
>
>
>> Wouldn't it be better if there were Audible Traffic Signals at most
>> intersections? It seems that the chirpy sound would both keep the drivers
>> and the pedestrians alert. I believe that if a driver were at an
>> intersection with an Audible Traffic Pedestrian Signal it (the driver) 
>> would
>> hear the chirpy sound of the signal and help him/her to be more aware of
>> his/her surroundings. Surroundings being other cars, traffic signal, flow 
>> of
>> traffic, and pedestrians. Why is it that the NFB does not endorse this 
>> sort
>> of protection for its people? I think it would be more effective to have
>> these signals installed at all major intersections.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mari Hunziker
>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Hyde, David W. (ESC) <
>> david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us> wrote:
>>
>>> You are correct. A cane, a dog, nor anything else protects pedestrians 
>>> from
>>> inattentive drivers. Nor, by the way, does vision, or a suit of armor. 
>>> The
>>> only thing that does is being an attentive pedestrian. Those who put 
>>> faith
>>> in the willingness of drivers to obey laws are right, most of the time. 
>>> My
>>> personal rule is that the driver always has right of way, even when they
>>> don't. In this case, they are bigger than me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
>>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:59 AM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex
>>> withdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>
>>> Well, a cane does not protect you from bad, distracted drivers.  The 
>>> blind
>>> want equality, they have it with the drivers on the road today as far as
>>> being run over.  I have found that most drivers today do not pay 
>>> attention
>>> to a white cane.  I've been bumped more than once.  You really need to 
>>> pay
>>> attention when you are crossing any intersection these days.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Dewey Bradley" <dewey.bradley at att.net>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 11:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex
>>> withdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>
>>>
>>> > Some intersections really are hard to cross, I am a very good
>>> > traveler, and some times I have trouble with some of them, some times
>>> > there are just hard to do, they may or may not be true in her case.
>>> > And drivers are getting very bad anymore, they are always texting and
>>> > crap like that, and when you have kids, you have to really watch it.
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
>>> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 7:45 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex
>>> > withdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Dear Mary,
>>> >>
>>> >> I must say that you need some basic O and M instruction in street
>>> >> crossing.
>>> >> As for get a light installed, you need to keep after the traffic
>>> >> department and also your city or County Commissioner as this is a
>>> >> safety issue.
>>> >> Do you use a Long White Cane?  If so where did you go for training.
>>> >> You should contact your State's Division of Blind Services and they
>>> >> will pay for it and other rehab training you need.
>>> >> Don't let the world pass you by.  Time is wasting.
>>> >> Your State's DBS can send you to a training center or even send
>>> >> someone to your home to help train you to get across that street and
>>> >> allot more.
>>> >> Good luck sweetie!
>>> >>
>>> >> David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Mari Hunziker" <marihunziker at gmail.com>
>>> >> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 12:43 AM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>> >> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Gary, I haven't had the STRENGTH to respond to Peter's message. I
>>> >>> too, have suffered greatly. I used to receive transportation
>>> >>> services here in my city but a few years ago they built a Park &
>>> >>> Ride several miles away. And because of it I am no longer in the ADA
>>> >>> service area. I have become a burden to friends, family, and my
>>> >>> husband. My kids and I are trapped in our home, until some generous
>>> >>> sameritan drives us to the store, the park, etc. I'm not even able
>>> >>> to cross the street across from my subdivision. I have contacted,
>>> >>> TXDOT, Travis County, and the city to have them install safe
>>> >>> pedestrian crossings. They have not taken any action yet. I also was
>>> >>> on a committee to purchase new park playground equipment for the
>>> >>> park near my home. The board of my HOA said it would be in by April.
>>> >>> It is now June and they still haven't put any playground equipment
>>> >>> in at the park. It makes me sad, because I do not drive, obviously
>>> >>> since I am legally blind. I want to make a difference in the world
>>> >>> but sometimes feel like Peter, inferior to my circumstances and
>>> >>> environment. It is very frustrating. I want so hard to be
>>> >>> independent but where I live it is impossible to get anywhere
>>> >>> independently.
>>> >>> I however, am proud of the fact that I can walk to my son's school,
>>> >>> to the DQ and Taco Bell and Walgreens near the school as well as a
>>> >>> few other places like the Post Office that are on the same side of
>>> >>> the street that my home is on. How do I get the local governments
>>> >>> and other organizations willing to make accommodations so that I may
>>> >>> become an independent patron of the establishments across the street
>>> >>> from my subdivision? Oh and by the way, cabs/taxi's are extremely
>>> >>> expensive to call on just to get across the street. Please help!
>>> >>> Please give me some advise.
>>> >>> Thank you,
>>> >>> Mari
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Gary Wunder <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Peter, I disagree with your characterization of the notes written
>>> >>>> to you as arrogant or conservative.  No one has told you to just go
>>> >>>> do it yourself.
>>> >>>>  People have put their hearts into words for you and in thanks for
>>> >>>> that you have told us what a small list we make up and how small
>>> >>>> minded we are.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Julie wrote to you a wonderfully constructive message.  The same is
>>> >>>> true of Steve and Dave and others.  You have to decide whether you
>>> >>>> are content being angry and figure out how to channel your anger
>>> >>>> into something positive.
>>> >>>> If
>>> >>>> you need help convincing Alabama rehab to send you to a Center, we
>>> >>>> can try to help.  We can't promise results, but we can promise our
>>> >>>> best efforts.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> If your area has no chapter, then we need you more than ever
>>> >>>> because there is hope the NFB isn't offering which you can bring if
>>> >>>> you will.  If you have suffered more than most of us, then perhaps
>>> >>>> you will have more compassion than we for people who really need
>>> >>>> you.  Your inspiration may inspire them, your perseverance may give
>>> >>>> them strength, and your willingness to give some of yourself to
>>> >>>> them will make all of us better.  Are you interested in talking
>>> >>>> about problems and solutions or in just putting us down for
>>> >>>> extending ourselves to you?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Gary
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
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