[Blindtlk] Grocery shopping, and transportation questions
David Evans
drevans at bellsouth.net
Tue Oct 12 00:25:57 UTC 2010
Dear Firoz,
There are three things that we all need to be successful as a Blind person.
They are: (1). We need to have a good positive attitude about life and
things in general, so that when life gives us lemons, we know how to make
Lemonade. We work to turn negatives into positives.
(2). We need access to good rehab training, adaptive equipment and
information that lets us cope and compensate for our disability and lastly.
(3). We need to know other people like ourselves who know more about our
disability than we do. This is where the NFB is the place to be and be
involved with. The NFB is full of new friends who are here to help each
other, support each other and provide encouragement.
The road is long and it is not easy, but it is the only road we have and we
must make the best of what we find along the way. We will all meet at the
top some day.
I believe that you likely already have most of this with in you or you would
not have gotten as far as you have.
David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
----- Original Message -----
From: "firoz" <firojjee at gmail.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grocery shopping, and transportation questions
> hi friend david,
>
> you are so impressive.
> thanks for every things your words give me the boost, now i am looking
> forward to my meeting with rehab.
>
> thanks
>
> firoz
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 7:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grocery shopping, and transportation questions
>
>
>> Dear Firoz,
>>
>> I use to live in San Jose Calif and graduated San Jose State University
>> and did Grad work at Stanford and Cal Berkley.
>> I was a Nuclear/Aerospace Materials Engineer. I worked in the Space
>> Program and built the Lunar Rovers that went to the Moon while still
>> going to school at San Jose State.
>> I worked for Lockheed Space and Missiles in Sunnyvale, Lunar Rover Labs.
>> I later worked for them in Palm Dale on the SR-71 and the F-117 Stealth
>> Fighter Programs.
>> I left and worked as a contractor for the Stanford Research Institute and
>> Leaner Accelerator. A year later I went to work for General Electric,
>> Nuclear Energy Division in San Jose on their Sodium Test Rig.
>> I got out of the Nuclear business in 1979 and moved to Florida and ran a
>> department for Garrett Hydraulics in Fort Lauderdale Florida until 1986
>> when I retired. Now I work for MV Transit in West Palm Beach Florida.
>>
>> with your background, you could try to work as a teacher in the
>> California School System or for a private School.
>> There are companies in the area, that employ Blind people and could use
>> your knowledge in Chemistry.
>> If you need some help, reach out to the Lighthouse for the Blind and the
>> California State Division of Blind Services as well Vocational Rehab.
>> There is opportunity there, but you will need to be able to get yourself
>> around on Public Transportation, such as the BART and the fixed route bus
>> or Para-transit services.
>> If you need additional Blindness skills training, get them. You can ask
>> the lighthouses if they can help you with tactile maps of the area so you
>> can get an idea of how the different communities are arranged and how to
>> get around in them.
>> Just don't give up and keep working toward a goal.
>> At Lockheed we had a saying, "the difficult we do immediately; the
>> impossible just takes a little longer."
>>
>> David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>> P.S. Contact the NFB HQ in Baltimore and ask about chapters in your area.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "firoz" <firojjee at gmail.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 7:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grocery shopping, and transportation questions
>>
>>
>>> thanks david
>>>
>>> i am from india and master degree holder in chemistry and education
>>> also, all these from india and that time i was partial .
>>>
>>> i used to teach chemistry to grade 11 and 12 level now here i want to
>>> do any time of job which a total blind person can do i am open for any
>>> job since i am in dire need of earnings.
>>>
>>> next week i am going to fill up the form for department of
>>> rehabilitation ,only contact i know
>>>
>>> i am with my cousin's place with my wife at san jose ca.
>>>
>>> i am very happy to get answer from you since i do not have any v i
>>> friends here
>>>
>>> back in india i was very active and had full orientation about the roads
>>> but here situation is different i feel lonely and without any type of
>>> earnings i feel help less
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> firoz
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 2:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grocery shopping, and transportation questions
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear firoz,
>>>>
>>>> Here in the States, there is a Federal Law for Civil rights for the
>>>> Disabled called (ADA) the American's With Disabilities Act.
>>>> It coversEmployment, Physical Access to buildings, services and sets
>>>> standards for access. it also covers communication and transportation
>>>> too.
>>>> Under the ADA, it mandates that anywhere you have a Fixed bus Route
>>>> system, that operates on designed routes and times, you must also
>>>> provide a complimentary Para-Transit service that mirrors that bus
>>>> service, for disabled people who, because of disability or barriers in
>>>> the environment, that prevent them from accessing and using the fixed
>>>> route bus system.
>>>> In other words, they provide a van service that will pick the disabled
>>>> up an transport them where they need to go and bring them back.
>>>> You have to apply for this kind of service and it totally depends upon
>>>> your ability to access and use the fixed route bus system or not.
>>>> The vans run the same hours of service as the fixed route bus and are
>>>> not required to travel more than 3/4 TH of a mile off the fixed bus
>>>> route to pick people up or drop them off. There are some areas where
>>>> special zones are set up that serve an entire area, regardless of the
>>>> 3/4 TH mile rule, such as here in Palm Beach County Florida, but most
>>>> places do not do this.
>>>> Some areas operate 5 AM to 6 PM and some other places have service that
>>>> runs around the clock, day and night.
>>>> You just have to educate yourself and ask questions.
>>>> As for other people who have come here from other countries and made
>>>> it, the Country is full of them. Every one here has their origins
>>>> somewhere else.
>>>> I do know people, but I can not send their names or e-mail addresses
>>>> without their permission.
>>>> Where are you from anyway. That might be helpful to know? What is it
>>>> that you want to do or be?
>>>>
>>>> David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "firoz" <firojjee at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 10:39 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grocery shopping, and transportation questions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> what is the difference between bus and pera transit system
>>>>>
>>>>> i am new to america so out of curiosity i am asking
>>>>>
>>>>> still i have not gone out either by bus or by cab
>>>>>
>>>>> by the way is there any person who after blindness came here to
>>>>> america and got settled?
>>>>>
>>>>> please write to me off the list to my e mail i.d. . i do have lot of
>>>>> questions in my mind
>>>>>
>>>>> firoz
>>>>>
>>>>> firojjee at gmail.com
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Anjelina" <anjelinac26 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 6:49 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grocery shopping, and transportation questions
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I wouldn't compare your situation to other blind people; you have to
>>>>>>do what's best for *you*. Try the bus system, try the cabs to get to
>>>>>>the store but $5 is not at all unreasonable for a cab. Most cabs
>>>>>>charge you a $2 fee just to sit in the cab and than the additional
>>>>>>fees for mileage are added on. This is just my opinion, but whatever
>>>>>>gets you out of the house and running your own errands is a step in
>>>>>>the right direction whether if it's a cab the first few times while
>>>>>>you traverse the bus/paratransit system. Wal-Mart, and Amazon can
>>>>>>deliver nonperishable groceries and you can buy an insolated reusable
>>>>>>bag for colds and frozen items when traveling to the store. These bags
>>>>>>are environmentally friendly, more sturdy and you can pack a lot more
>>>>>>in them than in the flimsy plastic bags
>>>>>> Just my thoughts
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anjelina
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Kerri Kosten" <kerrik2006 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 8:33 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grocery shopping, and transportation
>>>>>> questions
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wanted to reply to answer a few questions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestions...I'll have to look into either one of
>>>>>>> those carts or a reusable bag.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, I just checked on both Peapod.com and Safeway.com and neither
>>>>>>> delivers to my area. I will call Kroger and ask them but I kind of
>>>>>>> doubt it as I didn't see anything on their website about it. We also
>>>>>>> have Walmart and Giant Eagle but I don't think either of those
>>>>>>> delivers either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I keep meaning to call the bus about paratransit or dial a ride
>>>>>>> service but something tells me that if they had it I would've known
>>>>>>> about it already as I've made contact with the bus before about
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> matters and they never mentioned it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I understand cabs go by mile and time you are in the cab...I just
>>>>>>> don't know whether I should just not be concerned and take cabs all
>>>>>>> the time to get around or whether I need to be really concerned and
>>>>>>> make an effort to take the bus. The cabs here don't have an exact
>>>>>>> flat-rate but the town is small enough that $5-6 each way is what it
>>>>>>> usually comes to. Of course if I make an extra stop or something it
>>>>>>> goes up but that is usually for the most part what it is. I just
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> know whether I should be concerned or not that's all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I use an NFB fiberglass cane and was taught how t use it at
>>>>>>> convention. I have also read tons of articles about structured
>>>>>>> discovery so know how to ask assistance/directions when need be. I
>>>>>>> also try not to use human/sighted guide much and it has improved my
>>>>>>> walking speed and cane travel skills significantly. I just want to
>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>> and do more but don't know whether I need to make a real effort to
>>>>>>> learn the bus or whether to just take cabs all the time and not
>>>>>>> worry
>>>>>>> about it. The sighted people tell me not to worry about it but I
>>>>>>> notice many blind people don't like to take cabs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been told before that we don't have paratransit but I don't
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> to say anything until I call. I wish Safeway or Peapod delivered
>>>>>>> here
>>>>>>> but they don't...at least that's what the website said when I
>>>>>>> entered
>>>>>>> my zipcode. There is a Kroger right across that 6 lane highway with
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> pedestrian light so I could easily cab there but my problem is how
>>>>>>> much to get in one trip and how to carry it all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kerri
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/8/10, Cindy Handel <cindy425 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Kerri,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As far as the cost of cabs, in most places, cab companies charge a
>>>>>>>> fare
>>>>>>>> based on the distance they take you, as well as the time. So, if
>>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>> going five miles and it takes 20 minutes, you might pay, let's say
>>>>>>>> $10.
>>>>>>>> But, another day, if you go five miles and run into traffic and it
>>>>>>>> takes 30
>>>>>>>> minutes, they might charge $15. These are just examples. So, if
>>>>>>>> the cabs
>>>>>>>> have a flat rate, it sounds pretty good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You could learn to take the busses. But, it would probably be wise
>>>>>>>> to get
>>>>>>>> some instruction before you venture out there on your own. Do you
>>>>>>>> use a
>>>>>>>> cane, and have you had cane travel instruction?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some towns/cities have paratransit. Often the bus company is
>>>>>>>> somehow
>>>>>>>> involved in operating it. You could ask about that. It is more
>>>>>>>> inconvenient, because you have to schedule rides ahead of time.
>>>>>>>> But, it
>>>>>>>> might work to go shopping.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I go grocery shopping I buy what I'll need for the week. If I
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>> something else during the week, I have to walk to a shopping
>>>>>>>> center, about
>>>>>>>> 15 or 20 minutes away. As far as carrying bags in, if there's a
>>>>>>>> secure
>>>>>>>> place to put your bags, so no one takes them while you're going
>>>>>>>> upstairs,
>>>>>>>> that would be fine. I wouldn't get any kind of a bag, though, that
>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>> strong enough to load down with more than you can safely carry
>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>> hurting yourself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> From: "Kerri Kosten" <kerrik2006 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 6:43 PM
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Grocery shopping, and transportation questions
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have some more questions about grocery shopping and
>>>>>>>>> transportation.
>>>>>>>>> Instead of making two separate posts, I figured I'd just put all
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> questions in one post...they are somewhat related to each other.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll start with the grocery shopping questions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the apartment building I live in, there is no elevator.
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately I live on the third floor, which is up four flights
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> steps. What is the best way to carry lots of groceries up the
>>>>>>>>> steps?
>>>>>>>>> Would it be okay, when having lots of groceries to set some of the
>>>>>>>>> bags on the floor in the hallway by the door, go up with as much
>>>>>>>>> as I
>>>>>>>>> can carry, then come back for the rest? Is there any better way to
>>>>>>>>> carry groceries than in the plastic bags the grocery bagger puts
>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>> in? I've been told about burlap sacks that you can carry on your
>>>>>>>>> shoulder...does this reduce the load much? I want to make this as
>>>>>>>>> easy
>>>>>>>>> as possible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How often do you usually go grocery shopping? When you go, do you
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>> get the things you absolutely need, and keep the load as little as
>>>>>>>>> possible or do you usually take advantage of the fact you are at
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> store and get lots of stuff?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My next questions are about transportation. I live in a college
>>>>>>>>> town.
>>>>>>>>> I guess it's your typical college town. It's big enough to be
>>>>>>>>> considered a small city or large town...we have five Krogers, four
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> more Walmarts...tons of restaurants and bars, two malls...two
>>>>>>>>> movie
>>>>>>>>> theaters. It isn't a major city though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We do have a bus system but I've never been encouraged to use it.
>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>> just been expected to take cabs everywhere.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One of the problems though is that the town is not really a
>>>>>>>>> walking
>>>>>>>>> town...there are parts of it you can walk in but not very many.
>>>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>>>> things/places are built, often pedestrian accessibility is left
>>>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There doesn't seem to be any blind people; there is no NFB
>>>>>>>>> chapter.
>>>>>>>>> So, naturally the majority of the people, including most of the
>>>>>>>>> students drive. From what I've read on their website, the bus
>>>>>>>>> covers
>>>>>>>>> many areas, but usually until only 6 o'clock, unless it's downtown
>>>>>>>>> where the students are. I don't live downtown though. Because of
>>>>>>>>> this,
>>>>>>>>> I find myself having to take cabs almost everywhere. Cabs here are
>>>>>>>>> about $5-6 each way. Is this normal for a college town? Is this
>>>>>>>>> expensive for a cab?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are my only options to either take the bus when it is available or
>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>> cabs?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Should I just not worry about the expense and take cabs when and
>>>>>>>>> wherever?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is learning to use the bus hard or is it as simple as calling and
>>>>>>>>> asking the right questions?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>From what I can tell, from where I live, in order to take the bus
>>>>>>>>> again since I'm not in the downtown student area I will have to
>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>> two buses to get anywhere and it usually takes about two hours. Is
>>>>>>>>> this normal for a large town/small city?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The closest major city to me is Pittsburgh. There is a bus that
>>>>>>>>> goes
>>>>>>>>> there twice. In order to take a grayhound bus, or AM track train
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> have to somehow get to Pittsburgh. Is the bus going twice daily
>>>>>>>>> reasonable?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For those of you who live in college towns similar to this how do
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> find a balance between taking cabs, using family and friends, and
>>>>>>>>> taking the bus?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What is the cost monthly of owning a vehicle compared to taking
>>>>>>>>> cabs
>>>>>>>>> all the time? I'm sorry to ask this...I've never been told.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I guess I am just asking these questions because I want to make
>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>> I'm not getting screwed so to speak. I don't mind taking cabs, but
>>>>>>>>> sometimes I feel like I'm just automatically expected to spend the
>>>>>>>>> money just because...if you know what I mean by that! I've been
>>>>>>>>> told
>>>>>>>>> owning a vehicle is several hundreds of dollars a month when the
>>>>>>>>> cost
>>>>>>>>> of maintaenance, car payments, insurance, and gas is added up but
>>>>>>>>> again these have just been from sighted people who don't take
>>>>>>>>> cabs. It
>>>>>>>>> seems like most other blind people I know don't take cabs unless
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> absolutely have to and I hate having to do it all the time. In one
>>>>>>>>> sense I feel like I'm being told to go ahead, don't worry about
>>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>>> owning a vehicle is expensive too...but then on the other hand so
>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>> blind people don't seem to like doing it. I know each town is
>>>>>>>>> different...but if I want to go somewhere and it's after 6 and the
>>>>>>>>> bus
>>>>>>>>> doesn't go are cabs or family/friends my only options? I've never
>>>>>>>>> gone
>>>>>>>>> completely broke or run out of money by taking cabs but again...I
>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>> as if I'm getting mixed messages and I want to make sure I'm doing
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> right/best thing. From where I live you can't walk anywhere as
>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> are several things across the street but it's not actually a
>>>>>>>>> street
>>>>>>>>> but a major six-lane highway...so walking is out. I'm not married
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> live alone. Do those of you who live in towns like this find
>>>>>>>>> yourselves having to also take cabs more frequently than other
>>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>>> people? I know my questions seem a little crazy but I thought I'd
>>>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>>> them all in one post.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks so much!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kerri
>>>>>>>>>
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