[Blindtlk] Grocery shopping, and transportation questions

Fri Oct 15 18:04:18 UTC 2010

 David Wermuth
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "firoz" <firojjee at gmail.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grocery shopping, and transportation questions


> hi friend david,
>
> you are so impressive.
> thanks for every things your words give me the boost, now i am looking
> forward to my meeting with rehab.
>
> thanks
>
> firoz
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 7:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grocery shopping, and transportation questions
>
>
>> Dear Firoz,
>>
>> I use to live in San Jose Calif and graduated San Jose State University
>> and did Grad work at Stanford and Cal Berkley.
>> I was a Nuclear/Aerospace Materials Engineer.  I worked in the Space
>> Program and built the Lunar Rovers that went to the Moon while still 
>> going
>> to school at San Jose State.
>> I worked for Lockheed Space and Missiles in Sunnyvale, Lunar Rover Labs.
>> I later worked for them in Palm Dale on the SR-71 and the F-117 Stealth
>> Fighter Programs.
>> I left and worked as a contractor for the Stanford Research Institute and
>> Leaner Accelerator.  A year later I went to work for General Electric,
>> Nuclear Energy Division in San Jose on their Sodium Test Rig.
>> I got out of the Nuclear business in 1979 and moved to Florida and ran a
>> department for Garrett Hydraulics in Fort Lauderdale Florida until 1986
>> when I retired.  Now I work for MV Transit in West Palm Beach Florida.
>>
>> with your background, you could try to work as a teacher in the 
>> California
>> School System or for a private School.
>> There are companies in the area, that employ Blind people and could use
>> your knowledge in Chemistry.
>> If you need some help, reach out to the Lighthouse for the Blind and the
>> California State Division of Blind Services as well Vocational Rehab.
>> There is opportunity there, but you will need to be able to get yourself
>> around on Public Transportation, such as the BART and the fixed route bus
>> or Para-transit services.
>> If you need additional Blindness skills training, get them.  You can ask
>> the lighthouses if they can help you with tactile maps of the area so you
>> can get an idea of how the different communities are arranged and how to
>> get around in them.
>> Just don't give up and keep working toward a goal.
>> At Lockheed we had a saying, "the difficult we do immediately; the
>> impossible just takes a little longer."
>>
>> David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>> P.S. Contact the NFB HQ in Baltimore and ask about chapters in your area.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "firoz" <firojjee at gmail.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 7:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grocery shopping, and transportation questions
>>
>>
>>> thanks david
>>>
>>> i am from india and master degree holder in chemistry and education 
>>> also,
>>> all these from india and that time i was partial .
>>>
>>> i used to teach chemistry to grade 11 and 12 level  now here i want to 
>>> do
>>> any time of job which a total blind person can do i am open for any job
>>> since i am in dire need of earnings.
>>>
>>> next week i am going to fill up the form for department of 
>>> rehabilitation
>>> ,only contact  i know
>>>
>>> i am with my cousin's place with my wife at san jose ca.
>>>
>>> i am very happy to get answer from you since i do not have any v i
>>> friends here
>>>
>>> back in india i was very active and had full orientation about the roads
>>> but here situation is different  i feel lonely and without any type of
>>> earnings i feel help less
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> firoz
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 2:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grocery shopping, and transportation questions
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear firoz,
>>>>
>>>> Here in the States, there is a Federal Law for Civil rights for the
>>>> Disabled called (ADA) the American's With Disabilities Act.
>>>> It coversEmployment, Physical Access to buildings, services and sets
>>>> standards for access. it also covers communication and transportation
>>>> too.
>>>> Under the ADA, it mandates that anywhere you have a Fixed bus Route
>>>> system, that operates on designed routes and times, you must also
>>>> provide a complimentary Para-Transit service that mirrors that bus
>>>> service, for disabled people who, because of disability or barriers in
>>>> the environment, that prevent them from accessing and using the fixed
>>>> route bus system.
>>>> In other words, they provide a van service that will pick the disabled
>>>> up an transport them where they need to go and bring them back.
>>>> You have to apply for this kind of service and it totally depends upon
>>>> your ability to access and use the fixed route bus system or not.
>>>> The vans run the same hours of service as the fixed route bus and are
>>>> not required to travel more than 3/4 TH of a mile off the fixed bus
>>>> route to pick people up or drop them off.  There are some areas where
>>>> special zones are set up that serve an entire area, regardless of the
>>>> 3/4 TH mile rule, such as here in Palm Beach County Florida, but most
>>>> places do not do this.
>>>> Some areas operate 5 AM to 6 PM and some other places have service that
>>>> runs around the clock, day and night.
>>>> You just have to educate yourself and ask questions.
>>>> As for other people who have come here from other countries and made 
>>>> it,
>>>> the Country is full of them.  Every one here has their origins 
>>>> somewhere
>>>> else.
>>>> I do know people, but I can not send their names or e-mail addresses
>>>> without their permission.
>>>> Where are you from anyway.  That might be helpful to know?  What is it
>>>> that you want to do or be?
>>>>
>>>> David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "firoz" <firojjee at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 10:39 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grocery shopping, and transportation questions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> what is the difference between bus and pera transit system
>>>>>
>>>>> i am new to america so out of curiosity i am asking
>>>>>
>>>>> still i have not gone out either by bus or by cab
>>>>>
>>>>> by the way is there any person who after blindness came here to 
>>>>> america
>>>>> and got settled?
>>>>>
>>>>> please write to me off the list to my e mail i.d. . i do have lot of
>>>>> questions  in my mind
>>>>>
>>>>> firoz
>>>>>
>>>>> firojjee at gmail.com
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Anjelina" <anjelinac26 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 6:49 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grocery shopping, and transportation questions
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I wouldn't compare your situation to other blind people; you have to 
>>>>>>do
>>>>>>what's best for *you*. Try the bus system, try the cabs to get to the
>>>>>>store but $5 is not at all unreasonable for a cab. Most cabs charge 
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>a $2 fee just to sit in the cab and than the additional fees for
>>>>>>mileage are added on. This is just my opinion, but whatever gets you
>>>>>>out of the house and running your own errands is a step in the right
>>>>>>direction whether if it's a cab the first few times while you traverse
>>>>>>the bus/paratransit system. Wal-Mart, and Amazon can deliver
>>>>>>nonperishable groceries and you can buy an insolated reusable bag for
>>>>>>colds and frozen items when traveling to the store. These bags are
>>>>>>environmentally friendly, more sturdy and you can pack a lot more in
>>>>>>them than in the flimsy plastic bags
>>>>>> Just my thoughts
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anjelina
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Kerri Kosten" <kerrik2006 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 8:33 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grocery shopping, and transportation 
>>>>>> questions
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wanted to reply to answer a few questions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestions...I'll have to look into either one of
>>>>>>> those carts or a reusable bag.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, I just checked on both Peapod.com and Safeway.com and neither
>>>>>>> delivers to my area. I will call Kroger and ask them but I kind of
>>>>>>> doubt it as I didn't see anything on their website about it. We also
>>>>>>> have Walmart and Giant Eagle but I don't think either of those
>>>>>>> delivers either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I keep meaning to call the bus about paratransit or dial a ride
>>>>>>> service but something tells me that if they had it I would've known
>>>>>>> about it already as I've made contact with the bus before about 
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> matters and they never mentioned it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I understand cabs go by mile and time you are in the cab...I just
>>>>>>> don't know whether I should just not be concerned and take cabs all
>>>>>>> the time to get around or whether I need to be really concerned and
>>>>>>> make an effort to take the bus. The cabs here don't have an exact
>>>>>>> flat-rate but the town is small enough that $5-6 each way is what it
>>>>>>> usually comes to. Of course if I make an extra stop or something it
>>>>>>> goes up but that is usually for the most part what it is. I just
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> know whether I should be concerned or not that's all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I use an NFB fiberglass cane and was taught how t use it at
>>>>>>> convention. I have also read tons of articles about structured
>>>>>>> discovery so know how to ask assistance/directions when need be. I
>>>>>>> also try not to use human/sighted guide much and it has improved my
>>>>>>> walking speed and cane travel skills significantly. I just want to 
>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>> and do more but don't know whether I need to make a real effort to
>>>>>>> learn the bus or whether to just take cabs all the time and not 
>>>>>>> worry
>>>>>>> about it. The sighted people tell me not to worry about it but I
>>>>>>> notice many blind people don't like to take cabs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been told before that we don't have paratransit but I don't 
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> to say anything until I call. I wish Safeway or Peapod delivered 
>>>>>>> here
>>>>>>> but they don't...at least that's what the website said when I 
>>>>>>> entered
>>>>>>> my zipcode. There is a Kroger right across that 6 lane highway with
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> pedestrian light so I could easily cab there but my problem is how
>>>>>>> much to get in one trip and how to carry it all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kerri
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/8/10, Cindy Handel <cindy425 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Kerri,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As far as the cost of cabs, in most places, cab companies charge a
>>>>>>>> fare
>>>>>>>> based on the distance they take you, as well as the time.  So, if
>>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>> going five miles and it takes 20 minutes, you might pay, let's say
>>>>>>>> $10.
>>>>>>>> But, another day, if you go five miles and run into traffic and it
>>>>>>>> takes 30
>>>>>>>> minutes, they might charge $15.  These are just examples.  So, if
>>>>>>>> the cabs
>>>>>>>> have a flat rate, it sounds pretty good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You could learn to take the busses.  But, it would probably be wise
>>>>>>>> to get
>>>>>>>> some instruction before you venture out there on your own.  Do you
>>>>>>>> use a
>>>>>>>> cane, and have you had cane travel instruction?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some towns/cities have paratransit.  Often the bus company is
>>>>>>>> somehow
>>>>>>>> involved in operating it.  You could ask about that.  It is more
>>>>>>>> inconvenient, because you have to schedule rides ahead of time.
>>>>>>>> But, it
>>>>>>>> might work to go shopping.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I go grocery shopping I buy what I'll need for the week.  If I
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>> something else during the week, I have to walk to a shopping 
>>>>>>>> center,
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> 15 or 20 minutes away.  As far as carrying bags in, if there's a
>>>>>>>> secure
>>>>>>>> place to put your bags, so no one takes them while you're going
>>>>>>>> upstairs,
>>>>>>>> that would be fine.  I wouldn't get any kind of a bag, though, that
>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>> strong enough to load down with more than you can safely carry
>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>> hurting yourself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> From: "Kerri Kosten" <kerrik2006 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 6:43 PM
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "Blind Talk Mailing List" 
>>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Grocery shopping, and transportation questions
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have some more questions about grocery shopping and
>>>>>>>>> transportation.
>>>>>>>>> Instead of making two separate posts, I figured I'd just put all 
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> questions in one post...they are somewhat related to each other.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll start with the grocery shopping questions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the apartment building I live in, there is no elevator.
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately I live on the third floor, which is up four flights
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> steps. What is the best way to carry lots of groceries up the
>>>>>>>>> steps?
>>>>>>>>> Would it be okay, when having lots of groceries to set some of the
>>>>>>>>> bags on the floor in the hallway by the door, go up with as much 
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> can carry, then come back for the rest? Is there any better way to
>>>>>>>>> carry groceries than in the plastic bags the grocery bagger puts
>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>> in? I've been told about burlap sacks that you can carry on your
>>>>>>>>> shoulder...does this reduce the load much? I want to make this as
>>>>>>>>> easy
>>>>>>>>> as possible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How often do you usually go grocery shopping? When you go, do you
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>> get the things you absolutely need, and keep the load as little as
>>>>>>>>> possible or do you usually take advantage of the fact you are at
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> store and get lots of stuff?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My next questions are about transportation. I live in a college
>>>>>>>>> town.
>>>>>>>>> I guess it's your typical college town. It's big enough to be
>>>>>>>>> considered a small city or large town...we have five Krogers, four
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> more Walmarts...tons of restaurants and bars, two malls...two 
>>>>>>>>> movie
>>>>>>>>> theaters. It isn't a major city though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We do have a bus system but I've never been encouraged to use it.
>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>> just been expected to take cabs everywhere.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One of the problems though is that the town is not really a 
>>>>>>>>> walking
>>>>>>>>> town...there are parts of it you can walk in but not very many.
>>>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>>>> things/places are built, often pedestrian accessibility is left
>>>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There doesn't seem to be any blind people; there is no NFB 
>>>>>>>>> chapter.
>>>>>>>>> So, naturally the majority of the people, including most of the
>>>>>>>>> students drive. From what I've read on their website, the bus
>>>>>>>>> covers
>>>>>>>>> many areas, but usually until only 6 o'clock, unless it's downtown
>>>>>>>>> where the students are. I don't live downtown though. Because of
>>>>>>>>> this,
>>>>>>>>> I find myself having to take cabs almost everywhere. Cabs here are
>>>>>>>>> about $5-6 each way. Is this normal for a college town? Is this
>>>>>>>>> expensive for a cab?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are my only options to either take the bus when it is available or
>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>> cabs?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Should I just not worry about the expense and take cabs when and
>>>>>>>>> wherever?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is learning to use the bus hard or is it as simple as calling and
>>>>>>>>> asking the right questions?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>From what I can tell, from where I live, in order to take the bus
>>>>>>>>> again since I'm not in the downtown student area I will have to
>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>> two buses to get anywhere and it usually takes about two hours. Is
>>>>>>>>> this normal for a large town/small city?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The closest major city to me is Pittsburgh. There is a bus that
>>>>>>>>> goes
>>>>>>>>> there twice. In order to take a grayhound bus, or AM track train
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> have to somehow get to Pittsburgh. Is the bus going twice daily
>>>>>>>>> reasonable?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For those of you who live in college towns similar to this how do
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> find a balance between taking cabs, using family and friends, and
>>>>>>>>> taking the bus?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What is the cost monthly of owning a vehicle compared to taking
>>>>>>>>> cabs
>>>>>>>>> all the time? I'm sorry to ask this...I've never been told.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I guess I am just asking these questions because I want to make
>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>> I'm not getting screwed so to speak. I don't mind taking cabs, but
>>>>>>>>> sometimes I feel like I'm just automatically expected to spend the
>>>>>>>>> money just because...if you know what I mean by that! I've been
>>>>>>>>> told
>>>>>>>>> owning a vehicle is several hundreds of dollars a month when the
>>>>>>>>> cost
>>>>>>>>> of maintaenance, car payments, insurance, and gas is added up but
>>>>>>>>> again these have just been from sighted people who don't take 
>>>>>>>>> cabs.
>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>> seems like most other blind people I know don't take cabs unless
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> absolutely have to and I hate having to do it all the time. In one
>>>>>>>>> sense I feel like I'm being told to go ahead, don't worry about 
>>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>>> owning a vehicle is expensive too...but then on the other hand so
>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>> blind people don't seem to like doing it. I know each town is
>>>>>>>>> different...but if I want to go somewhere and it's after 6 and the
>>>>>>>>> bus
>>>>>>>>> doesn't go are cabs or family/friends my only options? I've never
>>>>>>>>> gone
>>>>>>>>> completely broke or run out of money by taking cabs but again...I
>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>> as if I'm getting mixed messages and I want to make sure I'm doing
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> right/best thing. From where I live you can't walk anywhere as
>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> are several things across the street but it's not actually a 
>>>>>>>>> street
>>>>>>>>> but a major six-lane highway...so walking is out. I'm not married
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> live alone. Do those of you who live in towns like this find
>>>>>>>>> yourselves having to also take cabs more frequently than other
>>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>>> people? I know my questions seem a little crazy but I thought I'd
>>>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>>> them all in one post.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks so much!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kerri
>>>>>>>>>
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