[Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel

Mike Freeman k7uij at panix.com
Sat Sep 4 14:36:52 UTC 2010 

Actually, you have the right to have your case re-opened if training keeps 
you in your job or substantially improves the possibility of promotion for 
you.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
To: <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" 
<blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel


> Hi Gary, Janette and All,
>
> Well, here's one blind student that will be seeing those Bills! LOL I'll 
> be extremely fortunate if I get Indiana VR to reopen my case to upgrade my 
> job related technology. (A request for those of you who pray.) I have 
> almost zero in the way of hope that they are going to contribute a dime to 
> my schooling.
>
>
>
> Diane Graves
> Civil Rights Specialist
> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
> 317-232-2647
>
> "It is service that measures success."
> George Washington Carver
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> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Gary Wunder
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 10:30 AM
> To: 'Jeanette Fortin'; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
>
> Hi Jeanette. As a parent who has recently finished sending a daughter to
> school, I agree there are some loans and grants, but I know far too many
> people who finish college with a debt equivalent to buying a new car or, 
> in
> some cases, a new house. I put a lot of money into my daughter's degree 
> and
> her mother did even more. Still, this young person still has a debt of 
> some
> $20,000 she must pay as she tries to pay for a vehicle and put together
> money for a down payment on a house.
>
> A blind person can get these loans and grants just like a sighted person
> can, but my experience is that rehabilitation pays enough that we 
> sometimes
> have problems getting students to apply for scholarships which are limited
> to blind people. In Missouri our last scholarship offering that was mailed
> to all rehab clients and every college and university in the state yielded
> three applications. That doesn't indicate a big unmet need. At least here,
> if you want to go to school and pass your classes, you get tuition, books,
> technology, and if all of that isn't enough, the use of people to read to
> you. I'm for all of it, but I do think blind folks have a wonderful
> advantage that we would see differently if we actually saw and had to pay
> the bills.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeanette Fortin
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:08 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
>
> but diane, sighted kids can apply for grants, loans, and scholarships, i
> know where of i speak, i have an 18 = year old who just did that, there 
> are
> all kinds of ways to get your education paid for if you are determined
> enough and if your parents don't have the money such as my son's parents 
> do
> notk there re even more grants and  loan programs for them to use. 
> jeanette
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
>
>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> You  make a really good point, and what you are saying does make sense.
>> But on the other hand, this has always drawn a very confusing and
>> crooked line for me. Maybe you can help put things in perspective.
>>
>> For instance, sighted kids going to college don't get any of their
>> education paid for by Voc. Rehab. Blind people do, or did. Mind you I
>> have been out of the Voc. Rehab system for many years, and am
>> struggling to be reinstated now that I am back in school because I
>> have a job. Anyway, blind people used to get expenses paid through VR,
>> regardless of how much money their parents made Etc. Sighted people
>> don't get that. Do you know what I mean? If they need a laptop, they
>> have to find another way to get it, and the list could go on.
>>
>> Blind people who are unemployed, and can't find a job, although they
>> are doing everything they know to do, cannot get SSI. There are just a
>> number of things like that.
>>
>> So, where do you draw the line? Where do you say "no extra
>> accommodations or treatment? Does that make sense? My intent is not to
>> argue with you, because I completely understand what you are saying.
>> But this is really confusing to me. Can it really ever be an "either or"
> situation?
>>
>>
>> Diane Graves
>> Civil Rights Specialist
>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>> 317-232-2647
>>
>> "It is service that measures success."
>> George Washington Carver
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:47 PM
>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
>>
>> Again, with respect, I disagree. If We truly believe that, with some
>> exceptions, we, the blind, can function in the world as it is and that
>> it is not up to others to accommodate us (again, with some
>> exceptions), we cannot expect others to do things for us when it's
>> convenient and allow us to do for ourselves when we want that. Diane's
>> safety argument may well have merit but this is different than asking
>> for an exception to transportation policy because we are having
> difficulties.
>> Many here have made great suggestions. I have seldom encountered a
>> situation like this that couldn't be solved with a bit of ingenuity
>> and imagination.
>>
>> But we don't walk in your shoes, Mari, so all we can do is voice
>> opinions and offer advice and encouragement.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 6:23:02
>> Subject: Re: [Bltlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Mary,
>>>
>>> You might want to push the decision of the school not to provide bus
>>> transportation to your son. He may not have special needs, but his
>>> mother does. Granted they may look at it as not being required to
>>> provide accommodations to you, but if it involves getting him to
>>> school, I would say that the two are interlinked. You might check
>>> with the education board, or your local civil rights agency.
>>>
>>> Personally, though this next comment isn't necessarily blindness
>>> related, I think that, in the day and time that we live in, and all
>>> of the people out there which are a threat to child safety, a refusal
>>> to provide safe transit for all of the children is an extremely
>>> callused and irresponsible thing for the school to do.
>>>
>>> But anyway, you may want to consider challenging their decision not
>>> to help you.
>>>
>>>
>>> Diane Graves
>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>> 317-232-2647
>>>
>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>> George Washington Carver
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mari Hunziker
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:55 PM
>>> To: Marion Gwizdala; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Bltlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
>>>
>>> I have gotten to the point that I would rather sit at home and do
>>> nothing than ask someone for a ride. Some people get so frustrated or
>>> seem to be bothered by having to help me out sometimes. Yesterday, I
>>> paid a friend $30 dollars in gas money to drive my son home from
>>> school. My 1st grade son, is not eligible to ride the school bus
>>> because his elementary school only offers busing to kids with special
>>> needs. I asked for special accommodations for our situation and they
>>> were not able to help. I paid the my friend because I could not see
>>> myself walking 1.75 miles to the school and back another 1.75 miles
>>> back in 105 degree heat. I told the district transportation manager
>>> that when the heat index is so dangerously hot it should be mandatory
>>> that kids get rides home somehow. It breaks my heart that kids have
>>> to walk, ride their bike, etc home in that heat. My transportation
>>> needs have been met by a kind friend willing to drive out of her way
>>> to bring my son home. I was so blessed the last couple of years to
>>> have a friend in my neighborhood be willing to carpool with us. My
>>> husband drove the kids in the morning and she brought them home after
>>> school. It was great. But of course things always change and we (I)
>>> must learn to deal with it like I am trying to. I just signed my 2
>>> year old daughter up for Dance class and then called up CARTS to
>>> arrange a ride. So happy they can take us and charge us $3 each way.
>>> We will see how it goes. I wish visually impaired / blind people
>>> received a living expense stipend like they do in Canada.
>>> It
>>> would be so helpful for those of us living on a budget and for those
>>> of us, like myself who live in the suburbs  with no public nor para
>>> transit system.
>>>
>>> You all are fabulous. Thanks for all of the words of wisdom posted on
>>> here.
>>> I love it.
>>>
>>> Mari Hunziker
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Marion Gwizdala
>>> <blind411 at verizon.net>wrote:
>>>
>>> > Diane,
>>> >   I also find it interesting that people are "amazed" that it might
>>> > take us
>>> > 2 hours to get somewhere that, by car, only takes 30 minutes. They
>>> > also express concern over how much a taxicab cost. I point out to
>>> > them that I get a lot of work done on my commutes by making
>>> > telephone calls and doing writing. I also share with them the
>>> > comparitive savings of taxicabs, when necessary, and public
>>> > transportation for regular, everyday needs, as opposed to a $300
>>> > car payment, $500 insurance payment, $200/month gas budget, not to
>>> > mention tune-ups, oil changes, tires and rotations, etc.
>>> >   I generally use the public transportation fixed route system for
>>> > most of my travel needs, Para transit when necessary, and taxicabs
>>> > for those times when neither of those forms of transportation are
>>> > viable, e.g.
>>> > inclement
>>> > weather, gigs where I need to take my sound gear, and entertainment
>>> > that gets out after the buses stop running! I guess it's all a
>>> > matter of perspective!
>>> >
>>> > Fraternally yours,
>>> > Marion Gwizdala
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graves, Diane"
>>> > <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>> > To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:49 AM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Bltlk] Grilling question
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >  Hey Mary,
>>> >ar
>>> >ar You know it's funny. Another thing that came to mind after I sent
>>> >my post ar was my amazement at how frustrated I've seen some sighted
>>> >people get, when ar they have to hop into the driver's seat and take
>>> >a 15 minute ride in their ar car, to go somewhere that they weren't
>>> >planning to go. Maybe to run an ar errand to the grocery store, or
>>> >go pick up a child, or take a child's friend ar home. It just blows
>>> >me away. I'm like "give me a break."
>>> >ar
>>> >ar My sister-in-law is like that. She always wants me to come out
>>> >into the ar suburbs to her house, but never wants to come into the
>>> >city to pick me up or ar visit me.  I'm thinking, "hey lady, you're
>>> >the one who drives!"
>>> >ar
>>> >ar But see, even if you are sighted you get locked into a routine,
>>> >and are ar frustrated by the little unexpected inconveniences that
>>> >come up.
>>> >ar Inconveniences that seem almost ridiculous to a blind person who
>>> >would love ar to be able to drive independently and take care of
>>> >some of those things ar without the  hassle of planning.
>>> >ar
>>> >ar
>>> >ar
>>> >ar
>>> >ar Diane Graves
>>> >ar Civil Rights Specialist
>>> >ar Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>> >ar Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit ar 317-232-2647 ar ar "It is
>>> >service that measures success."
>>> >ar George Washington Carver
>>> >ar
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>>> >ar -----Original Message-----
>>> >ar From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> >[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On ar Behalf Of Mari Hunziker
>>> >ar Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:23 AM ar To: Blind Talk
>>> >Mailing List ar Subject: Re: [Bltlk] Grilling question ar ar Thank
>>> >you Diane and Gary, ar ar Your words of wisdom have left me to
>>> >ponder about what the Lord has in ar store ar for me as a mother of
>>> >two wonderful children. I know that I was given this ar opportunity
>>> >for a reason. I know that being visually impaired will only ar
>>> >enhance my life. Yes, Diane I wish as well that I could spend $1000
>>> >in an ar afternoon and not think twice. Being financially secure
>>> >does help make ar life ar a bit more comfortable but not necessarily
>>> >happier. It takes a lot more ar self ar assurance of oneself to be
>>> >happy. That is what I think my real issue is. I ar want to be happy
>>> >with all that I have. I am most of the time. Its that ar emotional
>>> >roller coaster that I don't enjoy riding at times. But for the ar
>>> >most part life is good. Thank you for your words of wisdom. I really
>>> >ar appreciate it.
>>> >ar Mari Hunziker
>>> >ar
>>> >ar On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Graves, Diane
>>> ><dgraves at icrc.in.gov> ar wrote:
>>> >ar
>>> >ar  Hi Mary,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> First, please know that I do understand your feelings and
>>> >>> frustrations all too well. I have definitely been there before,
>>> >>> and occasionally still go there. I think there was a lot of
>>> >>> wisdom to be found in Gary's post, and so I'll just second it
>>> >>> with a couple of points.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I don't care how well adjusted and accomplished you are as a
>>> >>> blind person, there are times when having sight would simply be
>>> >>> more convenient. It does get frustrating sometimes. But if you
>>> >>> think about it, this is true in many areas of our lives. I often
>>> >>> find myself feeling envious of those who can go shopping, spend
>>> >>> $1000 in an afternoon, and not think twice about it, while I am
>>> >>> struggling to make sure all of the bills are paid. I am
>>> >>> frustrated that the members of congress charged with making our
>>> >>> tax and economic decisions, are the people making more money than
>>> >>> most of us will ever see.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>  I am often disgusted by the women who complain and refer to
>>> >>> themselves as "fat" because they can't fit into a size 4 dress,
>>> >>> when I would give anything to see a size 14 again .  These are
>>> >>> just some small, maybe silly, examples, but my point is that
>>> >>> blindness is just one of the many frustrations that life has to
>>> >>> offer.
>>> >>> Life
>>> >>> has dealt us all a partial deck of cards, and we just have to
>>> >>> learn to play the best game we can with the cards that we've been
>>> >>> dealt. But, as any skilled card player knows, the more you
>>> >>> practice, the more skilled you become.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Just know that while you are concerned about transportation
>>> >>> issues where school is concerned, some other mother is agonizing
>>> >>> over how she is going to get new shoes for her child, or pay for
>>> >>> the after school childcare.
>>> >>> Another
>>> >>> mother is worried about how she is going to get her wayward,
>>> >>> rebellious teenager through high school in one piece, and on and
>>> >>> on.  This is not to say that your concerns aren't frustrating and
>>> >>> understandable. Please don't think that that is what I am saying
>>> >>> at all. I'm just saying that the blind community is not the only
>>> >>> population that encounters these frustrations.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I hope this makes a little bit of sense, at least. Gary did a
>>> >>> much better job than I. If you are able to attend an  NFB
>>> >>> Training Center I think it would be great for you. It is always
>>> >>> something that I wanted to do, but never had the opportunity.
>>> >>> All the reports I have heard though have been amazing, and, if
>>> >>> nothing else, it would offer you support and build your level of
>>> >>> self confidence. I know that having a child would pose concerns
>>> >>> in this area too.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Feel free to vent to us any time. We are all here to help you.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> (big cyber hug for you)
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Diane Graves
>>> >>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>> >>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>> >>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>> >>> 317-232-2647
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "It is service that measures success."
>>> >>> George Washington Carver
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>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> >>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> >>> On
>>> >>> Behalf Of Mari Hunziker
>>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:13 PM
>>> >>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Bltlk] Grilling question
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thank you so much for sharing that Mike. I would love to learn
>>> >>> more about the NFB centers. I am now needing more assistance in
>>> >>> finding creative ways of finding transportation for my son to get
>>> >>> to and from school each day.
>>> >>> Not
>>> >>> being able to drive or to do other things is a constant struggle.
>>> >>> I wish there was someway to get over the emotional roller coaster
>>> >>> I ride every day.
>>> >>> Some days thinking its a blessing to be blind and other days it
>>> >>> is a curse.
>>> >>> How have you all gotten over this?
>>> >>> Thanks,
>>> >>> Mari Hunziker
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> > As a matter of fact, one of the things done at our NFB centers
>>> >>> > is to do some grilling and other chores that involve working
>>> >>> > with fire precisely
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> > get people over their fear of being burned. It's not thatanyone
>>> >>> > wishes to
>>> >>> be
>>> >>> > burned but (a) blindness doesn't increase one's risks assuming
>>> >>> > one is careful and (b) we want to turn that fear into what
>>> >>> > might be termed
>>> >>> healthy
>>> >>> > respect for fire which still allows one to work with it. At the
>>> >>> > end of
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> > day, it becomes another lesson that blindness need not prevent
>>> >>> > us from leading normal lives.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Mike
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews"
>>> >>> > <dandrews at visi.com>
>>> >>> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 1:22 PM
>>> >>> > Subject: Re: [Bltlk] Grilling question
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >  A totally blind person can grill or smoke.  i have a gas
>>> >>> >grill,  and a ar large off-set smoker and use them regularly.  I
>>> >>> >have also grilled with ar charcoal -- although the gas grill is
>>> >>> >easier.
>>> >>> >ar
>>> >>> >ar There are lots of techniques to do stuff.  One good source is
>>> >>> >our
>>> >>> > >ar
>>> >>> blind
>>> >>> >ar cooks list
>>> >>> >ar
>>> >>> >ar http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-cooks_nfbnet.org
>>> >>> >ar
>>> >>> >ar Dave
>>> >>> >ar
>>> >>> >ar p.s.  You mentioned a "fear of getting burned."  Just like
>>> >>> >with an >ar
>>> >>> oven,
>>> >>> a
>>> >>> >ar pot of boiling water, a gas stove etc., you can get burned if
>>> >>> >you
>>> >>> > >ar
>>> >>> don't
>>> >>> do
>>> >>> >ar stuff carefully and correctly, but like with the other things
>>> >>> >there >ar
>>> >>> are
>>> >>> >ar ways.
>>> >>> >ar
>>> >>> >ar
>>> >>> >ar At 08:42 AM 8/24/2010, you wrote:
>>> >>> >ar
>>> >>> >>> Was anyone of you grillers afraid of the fire and the
>>> >>> >>> potential for getting burned. That is what keeps me from
>>> >>> >>> doing it. We have a charcoal grill/smoker. My brother, father
>>> >>> >>> and husband have mastered the great taste of grilled food. I
>>> >>> >>> have always thought that I could not grill or do things of
>>> >>> >>> that nature because I am blind(visually impaired). I now
>>> >>> >>> think it might just be a fear of getting burned. I do cook
>>> >>> >>> fairly well in doors, I
>>> >>> never
>>> >>> >>> thought about trying it outdoors. The next time we grill out.
>>> >>> >>> I will
>>> >>> have
>>> >>> >>> to
>>> >>> >>> pay more attention on how it is done so that I may someday
>>> >>> >>> try it.
>>> >>> >>> Who
>>> >>> >>> knows, I may like doing it.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >ar
>>> >>> >ar                        David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
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>>> >>> >ar
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