[Blindtlk] Signing Your Name.

[David Andrews]

While I agree with you philosophically, some legal documents have to 
be signed the way they are filled out -- so if it says "Robert James" 
RJ would not suffice.

Dave

At 12:33 PM 4/15/2011, you wrote:
>Don't let anyone tell you the way you sign won't work for 
>them.  That's a hair's bredth from saying you can't sign for yourself.
>
>Just sit there stonally and ask if they really intend to not do 
>business with you or not let the closing on the house happen, etc.
>
>Never give ground and victory will be yours.
>
>Joel
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>On 4/15/2011 1:21 PM, Kelby Carlson wrote:
>>Speaking from a just-turned-adult's perspective, I've not yet had 
>>any issue signing any legal release forms or documents.  My 
>>signature doesn't look great (I learned it in kindergartten and it 
>>hasn't been refined) it's always been taken.  I would consult some 
>>other attorneys.  From what's been said here, you can probably get 
>>a legal statement describing your signature.
>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>Date sent: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:09:27 -0500 (CDT)
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Signing Your Name.
>>
>>>David, When I went to the attorney, in order to discuss Mom's
>>will, and
>>>since I'm part owner of the house, I had to sign my name.  When I
>>sign my
>>>name, I sign it (RJ) The Lawyer told me that this was not
>>acceptable, and
>>>that I had to sign (Robert James Sandefur JR) However, I was only
>>taught how
>>>to sign (RJ) and was told this was legally sufficient.  I was
>>taught this by
>>>my vision teacher.  Who is right in this situation? The attorney,
>>or my
>>>vision teacher? Sincerely, RJ
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net
>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:41 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Signing Your Name.
>>
>>
>>>>Dear Mary,
>>
>>>>He is required to sign his forms and any other legal documents.
>>>>He can sign with an "X" if that is all he can do and you can get
>>a
>>>>statement, notarized that the "x" is his signature in all legal
>>matters.
>>>>You can also have him "sign" a power of Attorney, giving you the
>>power to
>>>>sign for him in all legal matters.
>>>>You would need to send a copy of this along with your tax
>>returns to the
>>>>IRS.
>>>>I am totally Blind and sign my name on checks and legal forms
>>all of the
>>>>time and he can learn to do the same , if he wants too.
>>>>It just sounds like he is hiding behind his blindness.  He is
>>giving up
>>>>his independence because he is afraid to try.
>>>>A signature guide would be just the thing to help him stay on
>>the line and
>>>>keep from writing all over the place.
>>>>I write from memory and I hardly ever even use a signature
>>guide, except
>>>>when the place to sign is small and I have to be specific in its
>>>>placement.
>>
>>>>It sounds as if he maybe bitter and he is rebelling against his
>>blindness
>>>>and the world by trying not to cooperate with you and do
>>anything that
>>>>will show others he is blind and can not do things.
>>>>He is just not trying to help himself or you for that matter.
>>>>Good Luck with him.
>>>>Try to get him around other positive blind people, who are doing
>>the right
>>>>things and using their independence such as traveling
>>independently.  It
>>>>will given time, rub off on him.
>>
>>>>David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Mary Mc Gee" <mmcatitude at gmail.com
>>>>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:11 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Signing Your Name.
>>
>>
>>>>>Dear Fellow Federationists;
>>
>>>>>            I need some original thinking here, I believe.  It's
>>tax time
>>>>>and, as you know, when you're married, sometimes you choose to
>>file a
>>>>>joint
>>>>>return, which both you and your spouse must sign.  I have no
>>problem
>>>>>doing
>>>>>this; I'm the one who prepares the thing with the Schedules,
>>etc.  My
>>>>>husband, who is totally blind, can't sign his name legibly.
>>(It's
>>>>>debatable
>>>>>whether my signature is legible.)  Anyway, last year the IRS
>>sent the
>>>>>return
>>>>>back saying the "spouse's signature is not authentic".  The IRS
>>accepted
>>>>>mine but not his.  He refuses to use one of those signature
>>guides or
>>>>>anything else like that.  He writes at an angle and the letters
>>overlap.
>>>>>He
>>>>>says he shouldn't have to know how to sign his name.  I
>>disagree.  Every
>>>>>year at tax time we argue about this because he feels, being
>>blind, he
>>>>>shouldn't be expected to know how to make a legible signature.
>>I argue
>>>>>that, since the majority of people working for the government
>>are sighted
>>>>>and the signature is your verification, you need to sign
>>government
>>>>>documents.
>>
>>>>>            I guess my question is two-fold:
>>
>>>>>1.  Does anyone have any suggestions with respect to convincing
>>him that
>>>>>he
>>>>>needs to make a signature?
>>
>>>>>2.  Has anyone else had a document returned, when a blind person
>>signed
>>>>>it
>>>>>and the government refused to accept the signature?
>>
>>>>>            Last near, I took the think to Sen.  Harkin's office
>>and
>>>>>explained the problem.  I signed release, they took over and
>>sent the
>>>>>return
>>>>>to the IRS, and I never heard another word till our refund check
>>came.
>>
>>>>>            Thanks for your input.
>>
>>>>>Sincerely,
>>
>>>>>Mary L.  McGee
>>
>>
>>
>>
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