[Blindtlk] Signing Your Name.

Fri Apr 15 21:15:02 UTC 2011

That's what I'm saying. This is why I've asked rehab to teach me how to 
write Robert James Sandefur, so that I will not run into this situation 
again. Its not a matter of preference from what Dave and others are telling 
me. RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Signing Your Name.


> While I agree with you philosophically, some legal documents have to be 
> signed the way they are filled out -- so if it says "Robert James" RJ 
> would not suffice.
>
> Dave
>
> At 12:33 PM 4/15/2011, you wrote:
>>Don't let anyone tell you the way you sign won't work for them.  That's a 
>>hair's bredth from saying you can't sign for yourself.
>>
>>Just sit there stonally and ask if they really intend to not do business 
>>with you or not let the closing on the house happen, etc.
>>
>>Never give ground and victory will be yours.
>>
>>Joel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 4/15/2011 1:21 PM, Kelby Carlson wrote:
>>>Speaking from a just-turned-adult's perspective, I've not yet had any 
>>>issue signing any legal release forms or documents.  My signature doesn't 
>>>look great (I learned it in kindergartten and it hasn't been refined) 
>>>it's always been taken.  I would consult some other attorneys.  From 
>>>what's been said here, you can probably get a legal statement describing 
>>>your signature.
>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
>>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>Date sent: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:09:27 -0500 (CDT)
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Signing Your Name.
>>>
>>>>David, When I went to the attorney, in order to discuss Mom's
>>>will, and
>>>>since I'm part owner of the house, I had to sign my name.  When I
>>>sign my
>>>>name, I sign it (RJ) The Lawyer told me that this was not
>>>acceptable, and
>>>>that I had to sign (Robert James Sandefur JR) However, I was only
>>>taught how
>>>>to sign (RJ) and was told this was legally sufficient.  I was
>>>taught this by
>>>>my vision teacher.  Who is right in this situation? The attorney,
>>>or my
>>>>vision teacher? Sincerely, RJ
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net
>>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:41 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Signing Your Name.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Dear Mary,
>>>
>>>>>He is required to sign his forms and any other legal documents.
>>>>>He can sign with an "X" if that is all he can do and you can get
>>>a
>>>>>statement, notarized that the "x" is his signature in all legal
>>>matters.
>>>>>You can also have him "sign" a power of Attorney, giving you the
>>>power to
>>>>>sign for him in all legal matters.
>>>>>You would need to send a copy of this along with your tax
>>>returns to the
>>>>>IRS.
>>>>>I am totally Blind and sign my name on checks and legal forms
>>>all of the
>>>>>time and he can learn to do the same , if he wants too.
>>>>>It just sounds like he is hiding behind his blindness.  He is
>>>giving up
>>>>>his independence because he is afraid to try.
>>>>>A signature guide would be just the thing to help him stay on
>>>the line and
>>>>>keep from writing all over the place.
>>>>>I write from memory and I hardly ever even use a signature
>>>guide, except
>>>>>when the place to sign is small and I have to be specific in its
>>>>>placement.
>>>
>>>>>It sounds as if he maybe bitter and he is rebelling against his
>>>blindness
>>>>>and the world by trying not to cooperate with you and do
>>>anything that
>>>>>will show others he is blind and can not do things.
>>>>>He is just not trying to help himself or you for that matter.
>>>>>Good Luck with him.
>>>>>Try to get him around other positive blind people, who are doing
>>>the right
>>>>>things and using their independence such as traveling
>>>independently.  It
>>>>>will given time, rub off on him.
>>>
>>>>>David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Mary Mc Gee" <mmcatitude at gmail.com
>>>>>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:11 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Signing Your Name.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Dear Fellow Federationists;
>>>
>>>>>>            I need some original thinking here, I believe.  It's
>>>tax time
>>>>>>and, as you know, when you're married, sometimes you choose to
>>>file a
>>>>>>joint
>>>>>>return, which both you and your spouse must sign.  I have no
>>>problem
>>>>>>doing
>>>>>>this; I'm the one who prepares the thing with the Schedules,
>>>etc.  My
>>>>>>husband, who is totally blind, can't sign his name legibly.
>>>(It's
>>>>>>debatable
>>>>>>whether my signature is legible.)  Anyway, last year the IRS
>>>sent the
>>>>>>return
>>>>>>back saying the "spouse's signature is not authentic".  The IRS
>>>accepted
>>>>>>mine but not his.  He refuses to use one of those signature
>>>guides or
>>>>>>anything else like that.  He writes at an angle and the letters
>>>overlap.
>>>>>>He
>>>>>>says he shouldn't have to know how to sign his name.  I
>>>disagree.  Every
>>>>>>year at tax time we argue about this because he feels, being
>>>blind, he
>>>>>>shouldn't be expected to know how to make a legible signature.
>>>I argue
>>>>>>that, since the majority of people working for the government
>>>are sighted
>>>>>>and the signature is your verification, you need to sign
>>>government
>>>>>>documents.
>>>
>>>>>>            I guess my question is two-fold:
>>>
>>>>>>1.  Does anyone have any suggestions with respect to convincing
>>>him that
>>>>>>he
>>>>>>needs to make a signature?
>>>
>>>>>>2.  Has anyone else had a document returned, when a blind person
>>>signed
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>and the government refused to accept the signature?
>>>
>>>>>>            Last near, I took the think to Sen.  Harkin's office
>>>and
>>>>>>explained the problem.  I signed release, they took over and
>>>sent the
>>>>>>return
>>>>>>to the IRS, and I never heard another word till our refund check
>>>came.
>>>
>>>>>>            Thanks for your input.
>>>
>>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>
>>>>>>Mary L.  McGee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
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