[Blindtlk] Signing Your Name.

Fri Apr 15 22:54:50 UTC 2011

That is absolutely crap!
Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joel Zimba" <jzimba at cavtel.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Signing Your Name.


> Don't let anyone tell you the way you sign won't work for them.  That's
> a hair's bredth from saying you can't sign for yourself.
>
> Just sit there stonally and ask if they really intend to not do business
> with you or not let the closing on the house happen, etc.
>
> Never give ground and victory will be yours.
>
> Joel
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/15/2011 1:21 PM, Kelby Carlson wrote:
>> Speaking from a just-turned-adult's perspective, I've not yet had any
>> issue signing any legal release forms or documents.  My signature
>> doesn't look great (I learned it in kindergartten and it hasn't been
>> refined) it's always been taken.  I would consult some other
>> attorneys.  From what's been said here, you can probably get a legal
>> statement describing your signature.
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:09:27 -0500 (CDT)
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Signing Your Name.
>>
>>> David, When I went to the attorney, in order to discuss Mom's
>> will, and
>>> since I'm part owner of the house, I had to sign my name.  When I
>> sign my
>>> name, I sign it (RJ) The Lawyer told me that this was not
>> acceptable, and
>>> that I had to sign (Robert James Sandefur JR) However, I was only
>> taught how
>>> to sign (RJ) and was told this was legally sufficient.  I was
>> taught this by
>>> my vision teacher.  Who is right in this situation? The attorney,
>> or my
>>> vision teacher? Sincerely, RJ
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Signing Your Name.
>>
>>
>>>> Dear Mary,
>>
>>>> He is required to sign his forms and any other legal documents.
>>>> He can sign with an "X" if that is all he can do and you can get
>> a
>>>> statement, notarized that the "x" is his signature in all legal
>> matters.
>>>> You can also have him "sign" a power of Attorney, giving you the
>> power to
>>>> sign for him in all legal matters.
>>>> You would need to send a copy of this along with your tax
>> returns to the
>>>> IRS.
>>>> I am totally Blind and sign my name on checks and legal forms
>> all of the
>>>> time and he can learn to do the same , if he wants too.
>>>> It just sounds like he is hiding behind his blindness.  He is
>> giving up
>>>> his independence because he is afraid to try.
>>>> A signature guide would be just the thing to help him stay on
>> the line and
>>>> keep from writing all over the place.
>>>> I write from memory and I hardly ever even use a signature
>> guide, except
>>>> when the place to sign is small and I have to be specific in its
>>>> placement.
>>
>>>> It sounds as if he maybe bitter and he is rebelling against his
>> blindness
>>>> and the world by trying not to cooperate with you and do
>> anything that
>>>> will show others he is blind and can not do things.
>>>> He is just not trying to help himself or you for that matter.
>>>> Good Luck with him.
>>>> Try to get him around other positive blind people, who are doing
>> the right
>>>> things and using their independence such as traveling
>> independently.  It
>>>> will given time, rub off on him.
>>
>>>> David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mary Mc Gee" <mmcatitude at gmail.com
>>>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:11 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Signing Your Name.
>>
>>
>>>>> Dear Fellow Federationists;
>>
>>>>>            I need some original thinking here, I believe.  It's
>> tax time
>>>>> and, as you know, when you're married, sometimes you choose to
>> file a
>>>>> joint
>>>>> return, which both you and your spouse must sign.  I have no
>> problem
>>>>> doing
>>>>> this; I'm the one who prepares the thing with the Schedules,
>> etc.  My
>>>>> husband, who is totally blind, can't sign his name legibly.
>> (It's
>>>>> debatable
>>>>> whether my signature is legible.)  Anyway, last year the IRS
>> sent the
>>>>> return
>>>>> back saying the "spouse's signature is not authentic".  The IRS
>> accepted
>>>>> mine but not his.  He refuses to use one of those signature
>> guides or
>>>>> anything else like that.  He writes at an angle and the letters
>> overlap.
>>>>> He
>>>>> says he shouldn't have to know how to sign his name.  I
>> disagree.  Every
>>>>> year at tax time we argue about this because he feels, being
>> blind, he
>>>>> shouldn't be expected to know how to make a legible signature.
>> I argue
>>>>> that, since the majority of people working for the government
>> are sighted
>>>>> and the signature is your verification, you need to sign
>> government
>>>>> documents.
>>
>>>>>            I guess my question is two-fold:
>>
>>>>> 1.  Does anyone have any suggestions with respect to convincing
>> him that
>>>>> he
>>>>> needs to make a signature?
>>
>>>>> 2.  Has anyone else had a document returned, when a blind person
>> signed
>>>>> it
>>>>> and the government refused to accept the signature?
>>
>>>>>            Last near, I took the think to Sen.  Harkin's office
>> and
>>>>> explained the problem.  I signed release, they took over and
>> sent the
>>>>> return
>>>>> to the IRS, and I never heard another word till our refund check
>> came.
>>
>>>>>            Thanks for your input.
>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>
>>>>> Mary L.  McGee
>>
>>
>>
>>
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