[Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on ExpeditionImpossible

Wed Aug 31 14:53:29 UTC 2011

And we didn't put all of our money on him.  We still have money left to make other investments, some of which will come back to us In huge dividends. I was in a room full of former scholarship winners this  past summer, who were drawn to the federation by similar investments. 

And... if Erik one day realizes that he has more power with us than without us, we'll still be here, and will be eager to put him to work.

Diane Graves
Civil Rights Specialist
Indiana Civil Rights Commission
Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
317-232-2647

"It is service that measures success."
George Washington Carver

Confidentiality Notice: This E-mail transmission may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information intended only for the individual or entity(ies)
named in the E-mail address. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution, or acting in reliance
upon the contents of this E-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this E-mail transmission in error, please reply to sender to arrange for the return and proper delivery of the transmission. Subsequently, delete the message from your system immediately.
-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 10:34 AM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on ExpeditionImpossible

hi,

ok, maybe con isn't the right word but he had wealth in the family and had 
travelled to multiple countries to ascend other mountains.  sounds similar 
to playing the stock market.  would you put all of your money on one single 
stock, i don't think so.

Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on 
ExpeditionImpossible

> He didn't CON us out of anything. He asked for our help. He was involved 
> in a project, had taken on a feat that would, when accomplished, make an 
> unshakable statement about the equality of the blind.  We aren't just here 
> to help our members. We are here to benefit all of the blind, so we 
> weren't being conned. The very sad thing though is that he didn't choose 
> to keep that partnership going. He got what he needed from us, and now he 
> is choosing to  go on by himself.
>
> I think it is extremely audacious that he things that, in order to give us 
> his time, he can make demands about where he will sit on the agenda, the 
> amount of time he will be given, and demand that the entire convention be 
> sitting at attention throughout his speech. As someone said yesterday, Dr. 
> Maurer does not always get   the kind of time that Erik is 
> requesting/demanding in order to grace us with his presence. And, very 
> sadly, Dr. Maurer doesn't always get the level of respect and attendance 
> from the convention that Erik is demanding.
>
> But we weren't conned. We made an investment which was guaranteed to 
> change the way the world saw blindness and that we hoped would come back 
> to us in the form of a dedicated Federationist. Unfortunately the second 
> part of that return hasn't happened.
>
> Diane Graves
> Civil Rights Specialist
> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
> 317-232-2647
>
> "It is service that measures success."
> George Washington Carver
>
> Confidentiality Notice: This E-mail transmission may contain confidential 
> and/or legally privileged information intended only for the individual or 
> entity(ies)
> named in the E-mail address. If you are not the intended recipient, be 
> advised that any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution, or acting 
> in reliance
> upon the contents of this E-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have 
> received this E-mail transmission in error, please reply to sender to 
> arrange for the return and proper delivery of the transmission. 
> Subsequently, delete the message from your system immediately.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:02 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on 
> ExpeditionImpossible
>
> hi,
>
> how did a man who doesn't want to associate with the nfb con the nfb out 
> of
> $300k?
>
> Bryan Schulz
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 1:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on
> ExpeditionImpossible
>
>
>> Actually Cindy we are not.
>>
>> But I am sure nothing is going to change your mind about that. I am sure
>> that people who personally know me as well know this as well.
>>
>> Erik, feels the way he feels!
>>
>> His father feels the way he feels, but at the same time, the only way 
>> they
>> are going to learn is from attending.
>>
>> I am not going to push the issues at all.
>>
>> I did post items on our list that pertain to other disabilities as in a
>> question to others, when we pass accessibility laws for us, they affect
>> everyone including those that are not blind.
>>
>> I met Dr. Scott Raines at the Convention, he is a paraplegic, that works
>> with the US and international disability community in travel. He also 
>> help
>> create bookshare.
>>
>> We are working together meaning, if I need help with travel experience in
>> other countries in the way of accessibility and I don't know I ask him,
>> and at the same time it helps to advocate as a blind person as well, he
>> came to us at convention and was told by former President Don Gilmore to
>> reach out to me because of me working to promote advocacy in the travel
>> industry for the blind.
>>
>> So, should we not allow other people with disabilities not come to our
>> convention to learn about us and what we do, that is what it seems.
>>
>> Only way we are going to become more knowledgeable about one another is 
>> to
>> learn from one another.
>>
>> Please do not take this as being crude or rude, which I am not being at
>> all, just making a point.
>>
>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
>> http://www.echevarriatravel.com
>> 631-456-5394
>> reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>
>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Superior Travel, located in
>> Baldwin, NY. www.superiortravel.com
>>
>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel,
>> Inc.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 1:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on
>> ExpeditionImpossible
>>
>>
>>> I think we're coming from different places in our philosophy, Cheryl.  I
>>> believe in the abilities of *blind* people.  I believe that given the
>>> proper
>>> training and opportunity, we can compete on an equal basis with our
>>> sighted
>>> neighbors.  I also believe that the NFB exists to promote that 
>>> philosophy
>>> and fight for the rights of blind people whenever necessary.
>>>
>>> I don't believe that all other disabilities have a place in the work 
>>> that
>>> the NFB is doing.  We're blind and we know the challenges and barriers
>>> we're
>>> faced with on a daily basis.  We are not all in wheelchairs or facing
>>> other
>>> challenges.  There are other organizations to champion people with other
>>> disabilities.  Beyond the fact that we are not experts in those areas,
>>> financially, it would be prohibitive to take on all challenges.
>>>
>>> So, until Eric comes to the place where he recognizes that he's a blind
>>> person and the reason he was able to accomplish what he has is in some
>>> part
>>> due to the work of the National Federation of the Blind, we may not be
>>> ready
>>> to jump at an opportunity to give him the prime audience his father
>>> believes
>>> he deserves.
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> blindtlk mailing list
>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> blindtlk:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/cherylandmaxx%40hotmail.com
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindtlk mailing list
>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> blindtlk:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/b.schulz%40sbcglobal.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> blindtlk mailing list
> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> blindtlk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dgraves%40icrc.in.gov
>
> _______________________________________________
> blindtlk mailing list
> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> blindtlk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/b.schulz%40sbcglobal.net 

_______________________________________________
blindtlk mailing list
blindtlk at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindtlk:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dgraves%40icrc.in.gov