[Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on ExpeditionImpossible

Ray Foret Jr rforetjr at att.net
Wed Aug 31 15:00:47 UTC 2011 

Can I assume that we did in fact attempt to thus persuade him already?  IF so, what was the result?


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On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Graves, Diane wrote:

> 
> And we didn't put all of our money on him.  We still have money left to make other investments, some of which will come back to us In huge dividends. I was in a room full of former scholarship winners this  past summer, who were drawn to the federation by similar investments. 
> 
> And... if Erik one day realizes that he has more power with us than without us, we'll still be here, and will be eager to put him to work.
> 
> 
> 
> Diane Graves
> Civil Rights Specialist
> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
> 317-232-2647
> 
> "It is service that measures success."
> George Washington Carver
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> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 10:34 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on ExpeditionImpossible
> 
> hi,
> 
> ok, maybe con isn't the right word but he had wealth in the family and had 
> travelled to multiple countries to ascend other mountains.  sounds similar 
> to playing the stock market.  would you put all of your money on one single 
> stock, i don't think so.
> 
> 
> Bryan Schulz
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on 
> ExpeditionImpossible
> 
> 
>> He didn't CON us out of anything. He asked for our help. He was involved 
>> in a project, had taken on a feat that would, when accomplished, make an 
>> unshakable statement about the equality of the blind.  We aren't just here 
>> to help our members. We are here to benefit all of the blind, so we 
>> weren't being conned. The very sad thing though is that he didn't choose 
>> to keep that partnership going. He got what he needed from us, and now he 
>> is choosing to  go on by himself.
>> 
>> I think it is extremely audacious that he things that, in order to give us 
>> his time, he can make demands about where he will sit on the agenda, the 
>> amount of time he will be given, and demand that the entire convention be 
>> sitting at attention throughout his speech. As someone said yesterday, Dr. 
>> Maurer does not always get   the kind of time that Erik is 
>> requesting/demanding in order to grace us with his presence. And, very 
>> sadly, Dr. Maurer doesn't always get the level of respect and attendance 
>> from the convention that Erik is demanding.
>> 
>> But we weren't conned. We made an investment which was guaranteed to 
>> change the way the world saw blindness and that we hoped would come back 
>> to us in the form of a dedicated Federationist. Unfortunately the second 
>> part of that return hasn't happened.
>> 
>> Diane Graves
>> Civil Rights Specialist
>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>> 317-232-2647
>> 
>> "It is service that measures success."
>> George Washington Carver
>> 
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:02 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on 
>> ExpeditionImpossible
>> 
>> hi,
>> 
>> how did a man who doesn't want to associate with the nfb con the nfb out 
>> of
>> $300k?
>> 
>> Bryan Schulz
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 1:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on
>> ExpeditionImpossible
>> 
>> 
>>> Actually Cindy we are not.
>>> 
>>> But I am sure nothing is going to change your mind about that. I am sure
>>> that people who personally know me as well know this as well.
>>> 
>>> Erik, feels the way he feels!
>>> 
>>> His father feels the way he feels, but at the same time, the only way 
>>> they
>>> are going to learn is from attending.
>>> 
>>> I am not going to push the issues at all.
>>> 
>>> I did post items on our list that pertain to other disabilities as in a
>>> question to others, when we pass accessibility laws for us, they affect
>>> everyone including those that are not blind.
>>> 
>>> I met Dr. Scott Raines at the Convention, he is a paraplegic, that works
>>> with the US and international disability community in travel. He also 
>>> help
>>> create bookshare.
>>> 
>>> We are working together meaning, if I need help with travel experience in
>>> other countries in the way of accessibility and I don't know I ask him,
>>> and at the same time it helps to advocate as a blind person as well, he
>>> came to us at convention and was told by former President Don Gilmore to
>>> reach out to me because of me working to promote advocacy in the travel
>>> industry for the blind.
>>> 
>>> So, should we not allow other people with disabilities not come to our
>>> convention to learn about us and what we do, that is what it seems.
>>> 
>>> Only way we are going to become more knowledgeable about one another is 
>>> to
>>> learn from one another.
>>> 
>>> Please do not take this as being crude or rude, which I am not being at
>>> all, just making a point.
>>> 
>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>> 
>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>> http://www.echevarriatravel.com
>>> 631-456-5394
>>> reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>> 
>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Superior Travel, located in
>>> Baldwin, NY. www.superiortravel.com
>>> 
>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel,
>>> Inc.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 1:11 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on
>>> ExpeditionImpossible
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I think we're coming from different places in our philosophy, Cheryl.  I
>>>> believe in the abilities of *blind* people.  I believe that given the
>>>> proper
>>>> training and opportunity, we can compete on an equal basis with our
>>>> sighted
>>>> neighbors.  I also believe that the NFB exists to promote that 
>>>> philosophy
>>>> and fight for the rights of blind people whenever necessary.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't believe that all other disabilities have a place in the work 
>>>> that
>>>> the NFB is doing.  We're blind and we know the challenges and barriers
>>>> we're
>>>> faced with on a daily basis.  We are not all in wheelchairs or facing
>>>> other
>>>> challenges.  There are other organizations to champion people with other
>>>> disabilities.  Beyond the fact that we are not experts in those areas,
>>>> financially, it would be prohibitive to take on all challenges.
>>>> 
>>>> So, until Eric comes to the place where he recognizes that he's a blind
>>>> person and the reason he was able to accomplish what he has is in some
>>>> part
>>>> due to the work of the National Federation of the Blind, we may not be
>>>> ready
>>>> to jump at an opportunity to give him the prime audience his father
>>>> believes
>>>> he deserves.
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy
>>>> 
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