[Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter developmentand Florida Council of the blind students organization development

Wed Jun 22 11:43:38 UTC 2011

I figure they can be ACB members not thinking of jumping ship too, as 
long as they’re not trying to cause a constant ruckus.  I personally 
don’t even mind a debate now and then about their views versus ours.  
If our position cannot stand up to honest debate, then we ought to 
change it.  Of course, the same holds true of theirs.

Unfortunately, too often debates of this nature degrade to false 
dichotomies, straw men, and your basic ad homiem.  If that could be 
avoided, we might actually get somewhere with trying to unite the 
blindness community on at least those issues where there is common 
ground (which is more of them than you’d think, actually!)

I didn’t have much luck with that effort.  Too many hotheads on both 
sides.  Of course I’ve got my own opinions about the distribution of 
hotheads is to each side, and to what extent they are tolerated or 
even welcomed by one versus the other.

Suffice it to say that I don’t predict much unity in our future.  And 
that’s a real shame.

Joseph

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 06:47:52AM -0400, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>Problem  with this, we want all blind and people to join, they can be ACB members why not especially if they are thinking of jumping ship. There are guidelines for the groups, and David Andrews can remove people.
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>  From: Humberto Avila<mailto:avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
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>  Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:38 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter developmentand Florida Council of the blind students organization development
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>  Actually David, can we start putting  stricter guidelines for joining
>  mailing lists from the NFB instead of just sending an email message to the
>  mailman or filling out the form? Is there a way that there is some sort of
>  approval process and application, for example, that you can create, for
>  joining an NFB list? I say this because of greater security reasons. We
>  would be less vulnerable to spam and ad messages if we do so also.
>  Just my thoughts, Humberto
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>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>  Behalf Of David Andrews
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 8:27 PM
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>  Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter development and
>  Florida Council of the blind students organization development
>
>  Are you nuts -- writing to a bunch of NFb lists to start an ACB
>  Chapter.  I have previously warned you about inappropriate messages,
>  consequently you will be removed and banned from joining our lists.
>
>  I don't care about your starting an ACB Chapter, I would rather see
>  someone involved with them instead of nothing, but we can not and
>  will not be the vehicle of your advertising.
>
>  David Andrews, List Owner
>
>  At 10:12 PM 6/21/2011, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser wrote:
>  >Tuesday, June 21, 2011
>  >Hello all fcb and NFB members,
>  >  hello all blind broward county Florida citizens who  are members
>  > of the National Federation of the Blind and American Council of the
>  > Blind. I would like to start a chapter  of  the Florida Council of
>  > the blind called the Greater Broward county-  greater Tamarac
>  > Florida Council of the Blind. I would also  like to start a
>  > National alliance of blind students devision for Florida Council of
>  > the Blind called the Greater tamarac- Greater broward county
>  > Florida blind students Coalolission incorporated. I am looking at
>  > establishing the chapter  and blind students division  in August of
>  > 2011. I would like to get a list of people together to propose  the
>  > devision and the new chapter of FCB to Paul Edwards. I can be
>  > contacted off list at AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com<mailto:AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com>. I can also be
>  > called at 1 9 7 3 5 2 5 8 0 9 6. I can be called on skype at
>  > Alexander.the.great1990. Please respond as immediately as possible.
>  >Sincerely,
>  >Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser
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