[Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter development andFlorida Council of the blind students organization development

Graves, Diane dgraves at icrc.IN.gov
Thu Jun 23 12:23:16 UTC 2011 

Hi Guys,

You know, I once took a "sneak peek" at the ACB website, just to see what, if anything, they were doing.  I thought it was interesting, and I was appalled that, right there on their site, they claim that they, are the leading organization of the blind.

Now, before some of you tell me to "grow up," let me just say that, to me, it's not about an argument as to who is the biggest and best.  Rather it is about the fact that the NFB is doing so much good, and has so many projects going to improve the lives of the blind. The magnitude of this work is not one we could even begin to do justice in a single email, or on our website for that matter. Very honestly, the only thing that I have ever known the ACB to do is give the sighted the power to patronize them, and try to throw a wrench into anything we are trying to accomplish.
Diane Graves
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of cheryl echevarria
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 4:17 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter developmentand Florida Council of the blind students organization development

I find many not wanting to belong to either, only because they feel both groups need to grow up and get along, or don’t help at all. NOW, DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER!  

Mind you I have had these issues trying to start a local chapter here in Suffolk County.  So there are people that would just not want to be part of either.

I have been on the ACB website before, I myself don’t like the fact they still have 6-7 pages of bashing the NFB from the original break up of the NFB way back when.  Many of us were not even born or children when this came about.

And you know what they say about people being prejudice, you are not born that way it is learned.

  


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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: T. Joseph Carter<mailto:carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> 
  To: Blind Talk Mailing List<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org> 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:43 AM
  Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter developmentand Florida Council of the blind students organization development


  I figure they can be ACB members not thinking of jumping ship too, as 
  long as they’re not trying to cause a constant ruckus.  I personally 
  don’t even mind a debate now and then about their views versus ours.  
  If our position cannot stand up to honest debate, then we ought to 
  change it.  Of course, the same holds true of theirs.

  Unfortunately, too often debates of this nature degrade to false 
  dichotomies, straw men, and your basic ad homiem.  If that could be 
  avoided, we might actually get somewhere with trying to unite the 
  blindness community on at least those issues where there is common 
  ground (which is more of them than you’d think, actually!)

  I didn’t have much luck with that effort.  Too many hotheads on both 
  sides.  Of course I’ve got my own opinions about the distribution of 
  hotheads is to each side, and to what extent they are tolerated or 
  even welcomed by one versus the other.

  Suffice it to say that I don’t predict much unity in our future.  And 
  that’s a real shame.

  Joseph


  On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 06:47:52AM -0400, cheryl echevarria wrote:
  >Problem  with this, we want all blind and people to join, they can be ACB members why not especially if they are thinking of jumping ship. There are guidelines for the groups, and David Andrews can remove people.
  >
  >
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  >  ----- Original Message -----
  >  From: Humberto Avila<mailto:avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com<mailto:avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>>
  >  To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org>>
  >  Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:38 PM
  >  Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter developmentand Florida Council of the blind students organization development
  >
  >
  >  Actually David, can we start putting  stricter guidelines for joining
  >  mailing lists from the NFB instead of just sending an email message to the
  >  mailman or filling out the form? Is there a way that there is some sort of
  >  approval process and application, for example, that you can create, for
  >  joining an NFB list? I say this because of greater security reasons. We
  >  would be less vulnerable to spam and ad messages if we do so also.
  >  Just my thoughts, Humberto
  >
  >  -----Original Message-----
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  >  Behalf Of David Andrews
  >  Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 8:27 PM
  >  To: Blind Talk Mailing List; acb-lions at acb.org<mailto:acb-lions at acb.org<mailto:acb-lions at acb.org%3Cmailto:acb-lions at acb.org>>; announce at acb.org<mailto:announce at acb.org<mailto:announce at acb.org%3Cmailto:announce at acb.org>>;
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  >  Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter development and
  >  Florida Council of the blind students organization development
  >
  >  Are you nuts -- writing to a bunch of NFb lists to start an ACB
  >  Chapter.  I have previously warned you about inappropriate messages,
  >  consequently you will be removed and banned from joining our lists.
  >
  >  I don't care about your starting an ACB Chapter, I would rather see
  >  someone involved with them instead of nothing, but we can not and
  >  will not be the vehicle of your advertising.
  >
  >  David Andrews, List Owner
  >
  >  At 10:12 PM 6/21/2011, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser wrote:
  >  >Tuesday, June 21, 2011
  >  >Hello all fcb and NFB members,
  >  >  hello all blind broward county Florida citizens who  are members
  >  > of the National Federation of the Blind and American Council of the
  >  > Blind. I would like to start a chapter  of  the Florida Council of
  >  > the blind called the Greater Broward county-  greater Tamarac
  >  > Florida Council of the Blind. I would also  like to start a
  >  > National alliance of blind students devision for Florida Council of
  >  > the Blind called the Greater tamarac- Greater broward county
  >  > Florida blind students Coalolission incorporated. I am looking at
  >  > establishing the chapter  and blind students division  in August of
  >  > 2011. I would like to get a list of people together to propose  the
  >  > devision and the new chapter of FCB to Paul Edwards. I can be
  >  > contacted off list at AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com<mailto:AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com<mailto:AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com%3Cmailto:AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com>>. I can also be
  >  > called at 1 9 7 3 5 2 5 8 0 9 6. I can be called on skype at
  >  > Alexander.the.great1990. Please respond as immediately as possible.
  >  >Sincerely,
  >  >Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser
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