[Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter developmentandFlorida Council of the blind students organization development
T. Joseph Carter
carter.tjoseph at gmail.com
Fri Jun 24 01:27:33 UTC 2011
In my opinion, there’s no love lost for the ACB with many (though not
most) Federationists, but having tried to work with the ACB once
before, there are more than a few very vocal antagonists in their
camp. They are not restrained in any way, and indeed they seem to be
supported and sometimes even quietly encouraged.
It’s definitely a two-sided affair, but I wonder how much of it on
our side is a reaction to the blatant vindictiveness on theirs?
Things like trying to de-fund Newsline in various states because it
is an NFB program. Or the frequent and very public accusation
(always made without any proof) of criminal wrongdoing by the
Federation and its leadership in particular. I can go on, but
there’s really no good purpose to doing so.
The point is that a good number of Federationists who have been the
target of this stuff are pretty sore about it. And they’ve got a
right to be, if you want my opinion.
Even I was a target, just for trying to open a dialogue—and I went
there basically to ask one question whose affirmative answer would
have me supporting their position on a major issue. I got that
answer, eventually, and did support their position. But I could not
support their behavior.
Joseph
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 01:37:20PM -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote:
>I agree, Cheryl! Now, I'd like to ask this question while we're on
>the subject: do you think that NFB tries to get along with ACB, but
>ACB wants to bash us, or the other way around? Or, do you think it's
>both organizations not wanting to get along?
>
>Chris
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 16:16:45 -0400
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter
>developmentandFlorida Council of the blind students organization
>development
>
>I find many not wanting to belong to either, only because they feel
>both groups need to grow up and get along, or don???t help at all.
>NOW, DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER!
>
>Mind you I have had these issues trying to start a local chapter here
>in Suffolk County. So there are people that would just not want to
>be part of either.
>
>I have been on the ACB website before, I myself don???t like the fact
>they still have 6-7 pages of bashing the NFB from the original break
>up of the NFB way back when. Many of us were not even born or
>children when this came about.
>
>And you know what they say about people being prejudice, you are not
>born that way it is learned.
>
>
>
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: T. Joseph Carter<mailto:carter.tjoseph at gmail.com
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter
>developmentand Florida Council of the blind students organization
>development
>
>
> I figure they can be ACB members not thinking of jumping ship too,
>as
> long as they???re not trying to cause a constant ruckus. I
>personally
> don???t even mind a debate now and then about their views versus
>ours.
> If our position cannot stand up to honest debate, then we ought to
> change it. Of course, the same holds true of theirs.
>
> Unfortunately, too often debates of this nature degrade to false
> dichotomies, straw men, and your basic ad homiem. If that could be
> avoided, we might actually get somewhere with trying to unite the
> blindness community on at least those issues where there is common
> ground (which is more of them than you???d think, actually!)
>
> I didn???t have much luck with that effort. Too many hotheads on
>both
> sides. Of course I???ve got my own opinions about the distribution
>of
> hotheads is to each side, and to what extent they are tolerated or
> even welcomed by one versus the other.
>
> Suffice it to say that I don???t predict much unity in our future.
>And
> that???s a real shame.
>
> Joseph
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 06:47:52AM -0400, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>Problem with this, we want all blind and people to join, they can be
>ACB members why not especially if they are thinking of jumping ship.
>There are guidelines for the groups, and David Andrews can remove
>people.
>
>
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>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Humberto
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter
>developmentand Florida Council of the blind students organization
>development
>
>
> Actually David, can we start putting stricter guidelines for
>joining
> mailing lists from the NFB instead of just sending an email message
>to the
> mailman or filling out the form? Is there a way that there is some
>sort of
> approval process and application, for example, that you can create,
>for
> joining an NFB list? I say this because of greater security reasons.
>We
> would be less vulnerable to spam and ad messages if we do so also.
> Just my thoughts, Humberto
>
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> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter
>development and
> Florida Council of the blind students organization development
>
> Are you nuts -- writing to a bunch of NFb lists to start an ACB
> Chapter. I have previously warned you about inappropriate messages,
> consequently you will be removed and banned from joining our lists.
>
> I don't care about your starting an ACB Chapter, I would rather see
> someone involved with them instead of nothing, but we can not and
> will not be the vehicle of your advertising.
>
> David Andrews, List Owner
>
> At 10:12 PM 6/21/2011, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser wrote:
>Tuesday, June 21, 2011
>Hello all fcb and NFB members,
> hello all blind broward county Florida citizens who are members
>of the National Federation of the Blind and American Council of the
>Blind. I would like to start a chapter of the Florida Council of
>the blind called the Greater Broward county- greater Tamarac
>Florida Council of the Blind. I would also like to start a
>National alliance of blind students devision for Florida Council of
>the Blind called the Greater tamarac- Greater broward county
>Florida blind students Coalolission incorporated. I am looking at
>establishing the chapter and blind students division in August of
>2011. I would like to get a list of people together to propose the
>devision and the new chapter of FCB to Paul Edwards. I can be
>contacted off list at
>AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com<mailto:AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.
>com<mailto:AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com%3Cmailto:AScottKaiser10
>301990 at inbox.com>>. I can also be
>called at 1 9 7 3 5 2 5 8 0 9 6. I can be called on skype at
>Alexander.the.great1990. Please respond as immediately as possible.
>Sincerely,
>Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser
>
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