[Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter developmentandFlorida Council of the blind students organization development

Fri Jun 24 18:46:56 UTC 2011

It's all about the Civil War in the 50's.  Unfortunately, many of 
the members of both organizations haven't gotten over it.  
Dianne, I have a question for you that I will email offlist.

 Chris

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 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:23:16 -0400
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter 
developmentandFlorida Council of the blind students organization 
development

Hi Guys,

You know, I once took a "sneak peek" at the ACB website, just to 
see what, if anything, they were doing.  I thought it was 
interesting, and I was appalled that, right there on their site, 
they claim that they, are the leading organization of the blind.

Now, before some of you tell me to "grow up," let me just say 
that, to me, it's not about an argument as to who is the biggest 
and best.  Rather it is about the fact that the NFB is doing so 
much good, and has so many projects going to improve the lives of 
the blind.  The magnitude of this work is not one we could even 
begin to do justice in a single email, or on our website for that 
matter.  Very honestly, the only thing that I have ever known the 
ACB to do is give the sighted the power to patronize them, and 
try to throw a wrench into anything we are trying to accomplish.
Diane Graves
Civil Rights Specialist
Indiana Civil Rights Commission
Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of cheryl 
echevarria
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 4:17 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter 
developmentand Florida Council of the blind students organization 
development

I find many not wanting to belong to either, only because they 
feel both groups need to grow up and get along, or donâ€™t help 
at all.  NOW, DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER!

Mind you I have had these issues trying to start a local chapter 
here in Suffolk County.  So there are people that would just not 
want to be part of either.

I have been on the ACB website before, I myself donâ€™t like the 
fact they still have 6-7 pages of bashing the NFB from the 
original break up of the NFB way back when.  Many of us were not 
even born or children when this came about.

And you know what they say about people being prejudice, you are 
not born that way it is learned.

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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: T.  Joseph Carter<mailto:carter.tjoseph at gmail.com
  To: Blind Talk Mailing List<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org
  Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:43 AM
  Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter 
developmentand Florida Council of the blind students organization 
development

  I figure they can be ACB members not thinking of jumping ship 
too, as
  long as theyâ€™re not trying to cause a constant ruckus.  I 
personally
  donâ€™t even mind a debate now and then about their views 
versus ours.
  If our position cannot stand up to honest debate, then we ought 
to
  change it.  Of course, the same holds true of theirs.

  Unfortunately, too often debates of this nature degrade to 
false
  dichotomies, straw men, and your basic ad homiem.  If that 
could be
  avoided, we might actually get somewhere with trying to unite 
the
  blindness community on at least those issues where there is 
common
  ground (which is more of them than youâ€™d think, actually!)

  I didnâ€™t have much luck with that effort.  Too many hotheads 
on both
  sides.  Of course Iâ€™ve got my own opinions about the 
distribution of
  hotheads is to each side, and to what extent they are tolerated 
or
  even welcomed by one versus the other.

  Suffice it to say that I donâ€™t predict much unity in our 
future.  And
  thatâ€™s a real shame.

  Joseph

  On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 06:47:52AM -0400, cheryl echevarria 
wrote:
Problem  with this, we want all blind and people to join, they 
can be ACB members why not especially if they are thinking of 
jumping ship.  There are guidelines for the groups, and David 
Andrews can remove people.

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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Humberto 
Avila<mailto:avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com<mailto:avila.bert.hum
berto2 at gmail.com
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  Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter 
developmentand Florida Council of the blind students organization 
development

  Actually David, can we start putting  stricter guidelines for 
joining
  mailing lists from the NFB instead of just sending an email 
message to the
  mailman or filling out the form? Is there a way that there is 
some sort of
  approval process and application, for example, that you can 
create, for
  joining an NFB list? I say this because of greater security 
reasons.  We
  would be less vulnerable to spam and ad messages if we do so 
also.
  Just my thoughts, Humberto

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  Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter 
development and
  Florida Council of the blind students organization development

  Are you nuts -- writing to a bunch of NFb lists to start an ACB
  Chapter.  I have previously warned you about inappropriate 
messages,
  consequently you will be removed and banned from joining our 
lists.

  I don't care about your starting an ACB Chapter, I would rather 
see
  someone involved with them instead of nothing, but we can not 
and
  will not be the vehicle of your advertising.

  David Andrews, List Owner

  At 10:12 PM 6/21/2011, Mr.  Alexander Scott Kaiser wrote:
Tuesday, June 21, 2011
Hello all fcb and NFB members,
  hello all blind broward county Florida citizens who  are 
members
 of the National Federation of the Blind and American Council of 
the
 Blind.  I would like to start a chapter  of  the Florida Council 
of
 the blind called the Greater Broward county-  greater Tamarac
 Florida Council of the Blind.  I would also  like to start a
 National alliance of blind students devision for Florida Council 
of
 the Blind called the Greater tamarac- Greater broward county
 Florida blind students Coalolission incorporated.  I am looking 
at
 establishing the chapter  and blind students division  in August 
of
 2011.  I would like to get a list of people together to propose  
the
 devision and the new chapter of FCB to Paul Edwards.  I can be
 contacted off list at 
AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com<mailto:AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.
com<mailto:AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com%3Cmailto:AScottKaiser10
301990 at inbox.com>>.  I can also be
 called at 1 9 7 3 5 2 5 8 0 9 6.  I can be called on skype at
 Alexander.the.great1990.  Please respond as immediately as 
possible.
Sincerely,
Mr.  Alexander Scott Kaiser

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