[Blindtlk] Who Bathes You?

humberto humbertoa5369 at netzero.net
Sat Mar 5 04:03:40 UTC 2011


Yes, that too! A banquet speech coming out of the president.  So, 
both, an article on the Braille Monitor, and a Banquet speech for 
the NFB convention.

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net
>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:54:18 -0500
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Who Bathes You?


>Dear Ray,

>How about a banquet speech instead.

>David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net
>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 1:44 PM
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Who Bathes You?


>> Somehow, I see a monitor article coming out of this.  Thoughts 
Gary?  Or,
>> am I being presumptuous?


>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
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>> On Mar 4, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Bernadetta Pracon wrote:

>>> Hi Everyone:
>>> While I agree with the opinion that we  should probably refrain 
from
>>> using inflammatory phrases or words based on the fact that this 
list is
>>> publicly archived, I see another side to this argument.  Sure, 
most people
>>> who don't normally encounter those of us who are   blind or 
visually
>>> impaired are not going to know very much about how we live day 
to day.
>>> They  will most likely have some   preconceived assumptions 
about us.  But
>>> just because they do not know much about blindness does not mean 
we have
>>> to acquiesse to their ignorance.  Of course, we can't verbally 
beat them
>>> up for assuming things about us, and we should educate where 
necessary,
>>> but we are allowed to have our rants now and then.  Especially 
when the
>>> comments and assumptions made about us are overly ignorant and 
in a way,
>>> almost insulting.  In many cases, these people are well meaning, 
and they
>>> are not conscious that their assumptions are rediculous to us, 
and with a
>>> little bit of education they get on the right track.
>>> However, a comment such as "who bathes you", said from one grown 
man to
>>> another, not to mention a doctor, is sort of inexcusable.  It's 
the kind
>>> of question a child would ask, because they really didn't know 
any
>>> better.  Someone educated to be a doctor should most certainly 
know
>>> better.  Therefore, I think we can allow ourselves a little 
leeway
>>> regarding etiquette under the circumstance.
>>> And look at it this way: If a sighted person does see a message 
on this
>>> topic with the word "idiot" in it, they might just wake up to 
the fact
>>> that blind people aren't angels who won't flinch under the 
weight of
>>> insult and ignorance.  I say this not to be a radical snob, but 
because I
>>> realize that sometimes, sighted people expect us to be docile,
>>> well-behaved people due to our disibility, and it's not welcome 
or
>>> expected of us to express  our feelings of shock and  ridicule.  
If they
>>> see a little rant now and then as a response to something 
ignorant that
>>> was said, it might just make us appear a little more human.  Of 
course,
>>> it's a given to us that we are every bit as human as our sighted
>>> counterparts, but our response to this sort of thing might just 
make that
>>> point come across a little more clearly.
>>> Now, I am not at all suggesting we throw away all inhibitions 
and start
>>> writing posts that are dirogatory.  We shouldn't go around 
calling people
>>> names such as idiot and the like.  That's not right, and it 
doesn't
>>> accomplish anything.  That being said, I have to admit against 
my better
>>> judgement, that sometimes, they just plain ask for it.

>>> On a lighter note:
>>> I think that Marion's response to the doctor was witty and 
clever.
>>> Definitely better than if he had called him an idiot.  lol

>>> Just my two cents guys.  Sorry for the somewhat lengthy post.

>>> All Best,
>>> Bernadetta

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