[Blindtlk] cane travel: to trail or not to trail
Nikki Wunderlich
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Mon May 16 22:00:23 UTC 2011
well, there's a couple different things you can do when shore lining, put
your non cane hand out a little to assure you don't run in to the wall or
what ever you're shore lining, or stick your can out a little further than
normal, so your cane hand is extended, that way you're more likely to find
stuff at hand level to avoid it. plus when you shore line your cane is still
diaginally acrost you so it still offers protection that way.
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>wrote:
> I wondered that, too. Also, don't you have to protect both sides of your
> body by tapping on both sides? How does that work with shorelining?
>
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
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> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel: to trail or not to trail
>
> Hi, how do you stay by a wall if there are people standing or sitting next
> to them? When I was still in college the students waited by their class
> doors up and down the halls. I had to walk in the middle of the hall
> because
> of this. Luckily I still had some vision and could count doors.
> How would someone with no vision do this?
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> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 12:31 PM
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> Subject: [Blindtlk] cane travel: to trail or not to trail
>
>
> Just my two cents worth on trailing.
> What is the supposed purpose of trailing?
> To find a door, opening, etc on a wall correct?
> If you learn proper cane technique you can use the shorelining method with
> your cane to find all of these things without ever touching the wall with
> your hand.
> To do it, stay close to the wall and touch the bottom of it with your cane
> tip every step to find what your looking for. Don't beat dents in to the
> baseboard, lol. Hence the need to stick close to the wall.
> I was taught trailing by mobility instructors that didn't know proper cane
> technique. I never employed it much b/c I got tired of banged up fingers
> and
> skinned knuckles.
> Shorelining using the cane is a much better option.
>
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> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 18:44:51 -0500
> From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com
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> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no trailing?
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> Chris,
>
> I do use both dog and cane and am comfortable with either method of
> mobility. I do not use the dog and cane at the same time though.
>
> Which method of travel I choose depends on quite a few factors. Here's a
> few in no particular order.
> If I'm going to a private home or riding in a private car where the owner
> isn't welcoming of my dog. I typically don't take my guide in private
> vehicles or into private homes unless he has been specifically invited.
> Others handle this differently and that is a perfectly respectable choice.
>
> If the situation I'm going into would be appropriate for the dog. I don't
> take my guide when I'm going to be sitting squashed in on bleacher seats
> for
>
> example. I don't go to concerts, but that might be another place I
> wouldn't
>
> take a dog.
>
> Whether or not I am up to handling my dog. I never take my guide to
> funerals because I am simply not in a frame of mind to effectively work
> with
>
> him in that situation.
>
> How much the dog has already worked. I just got back from a business trip
> where Monty has essentially been in harness and working for two full days
> with few breaks. He's tired. If I go somewhere else this evening, I'd
> leave him at home.
>
> There are probably other considerations, but these are the main things that
> immediately come to mind. Also these are specific to me and my current
> guide. I might do things differently with another dog. Certainly each
> guide dog user has to figure out their own criteria for when to choose
> which
>
> tool. I'd say I work Monty about 75% of the time and use my cane the rest.
> It's a good balance for me.
>
> HTH
> Julie
>
>
>
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> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
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> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 8:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no trailing?
>
>
> Just curious, do you use the cane and the dog interchangably? If so, in
> what situations do you use the dog and in what situations do you use the
> cane? Or do you only use the cane when the dog isn't available? Just
> curious! I'm not old enough to get a dog yet, but I want to.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
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> From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com
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> Date sent: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:28:56 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no trailing?
>
> Chris,
>
> The thing about trailing is that sooner or later you are going to put your
> hand into something or someone where you probably didn't want it. *smile*
>
> I think two point touch is the cane travel term you were looking for.
> shorelining with the cane should find doorways or other landmarks that you
> were finding using trailing. Also the sound of the tap of the cane should
> provide auditory information about hallway openings, the proximity of
> walls,
> etc.
>
> I do sometimes use trailing at home where I don't use cane or dog. I find
> it especially useful when I have a cold or in the early morning-precoffee!
>
> Julie
>
>
>
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> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 4:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no trailing?
>
>
> Thanks, Kelby! I like the rigid cane because it's lighter, so I can use
> the tapping technique (can't remember the ONM term for it) a lot easier.
> I think this technique gives you a lot more information from sound, plus
> echo location, if you use that.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
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> From: Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at usfamily.net
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> Date sent: Wed, 11 May 2011 15:31:37 -0500 (CDT)
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no trailing?
>
> I'm going to have to agree on this one. I occasionally trail if
> I'm looking for a specific door, but even then it's not always
> necessary. Whether you use a folding or rigid cane, if your
> technique is correct you should have no trouble. (Trust me, it's
> taken me awhile to develop as much confidence as I as far as
> speed of travel goes. I know how you feel.)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net
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> Date sent: Wed, 11 May 2011 15:04:47 -0500 (CDT)
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no
> trailing?
>
> Frankly, you are not sacrificing any information you get from
> trailing. Why? That's because you are mistaken in the belief
> that you get any useful data at all from that technique. Better
> to develope a faster pace and trust your cane; and thus, trust
> yourself better also. Trailing will slow you down and frankly,
> you'l look strange and lacking in confidence compared to the
> other blind dues around you who are getting the girls because
> they are confident. How's that for insentive?
>
>
> Sincerely,
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> On May 11, 2011, at 2:57 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote:
>
> Hi, all.
>
> I have a cane travel question for you. For a long time, I was
> using a folding cane with a pencil tip along with the trailing
> technique, especially in familiar areas i.e. home, school, etc.
> After attending the LAW Program, where they took my folding cane
> on the first day and gave me a straight (aka rigid) cane with a
> metal tip that I was required to use during the four days I was
> there, I started to like the straight cane a lot better and came
> back home with one. I don't think I'll switch back to a folding
> cane unless I have to, by the way. While I was at the program,
> one of the blind mentors was helping me learn how to use this new
> cane, and in the process told me that he would suggest not
> trailing in hallways (whether they be in familiar or unfamiliar
> areas) and trusting the cane alone. He then said that I need to
> work on a faster, more confident pace than I have already. One
> of his reasons for that need of a confident pace, by the way, is
> to "get the girls," LOL. So I tried not trailing in the hallways
> of the Jernigan Institute building, and it did take some getting
> used to. After the program, I thought about what he'd said.
> Although I can understand what he's talking about with the
> confident pace, I think I get twice the information when I
> combine trailing with cane technique. So what do you all think?
> Should I sacrifice the information I get from trailing and just
> try to get more information from the cane, or keep trailing and
> have a little slower pace? Or are there any work-arounds you use
> that keep the confident pace and still trail? Any help would be
> appreciated! Thanks!
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
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> Hi all,
> I promise, if this was a nagdu list thing, then I would post
> it there! :)
> Anyway, do people notice a trending in the number of cane
> users, or
> dog guide handlers? )more of one, less of another, or about an
> even
> number?) if there is ashift in anyway, do you think this
> signifies
> any sort of message or meaning? What have you noticed? what
> does
> it mean to you, and why?
> Best,
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