[Blindtlk] cane travel: to trail or not to trail
Chris Nusbaum
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Mon May 16 22:08:37 UTC 2011
Oh! I get it now! Great information, thanks!
Chris Nusbaum
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From: Nikki Wunderlich <nikki0222 at gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel: to trail or not to trail
well, there's a couple different things you can do when shore
lining, put
your non cane hand out a little to assure you don't run in to the
wall or
what ever you're shore lining, or stick your can out a little
further than
normal, so your cane hand is extended, that way you're more
likely to find
stuff at hand level to avoid it. plus when you shore line your
cane is still
diaginally acrost you so it still offers protection that way.
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Chris Nusbaum
<dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>wrote:
I wondered that, too. Also, don't you have to protect both
sides of your
body by tapping on both sides? How does that work with
shorelining?
Chris Nusbaum
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel: to trail or not to trail
Hi, how do you stay by a wall if there are people standing or
sitting next
to them? When I was still in college the students waited by
their class
doors up and down the halls. I had to walk in the middle of the
hall
because
of this. Luckily I still had some vision and could count doors.
How would someone with no vision do this?
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Subject: [Blindtlk] cane travel: to trail or not to trail
Just my two cents worth on trailing.
What is the supposed purpose of trailing?
To find a door, opening, etc on a wall correct?
If you learn proper cane technique you can use the shorelining
method with
your cane to find all of these things without ever touching the
wall with
your hand.
To do it, stay close to the wall and touch the bottom of it with
your cane
tip every step to find what your looking for. Don't beat dents
in to the
baseboard, lol. Hence the need to stick close to the wall.
I was taught trailing by mobility instructors that didn't know
proper cane
technique. I never employed it much b/c I got tired of banged
up fingers
and
skinned knuckles.
Shorelining using the cane is a much better option.
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Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 18:44:51 -0500
From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no
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Chris,
I do use both dog and cane and am comfortable with either method
of
mobility. I do not use the dog and cane at the same time
though.
Which method of travel I choose depends on quite a few factors.
Here's a
few in no particular order.
If I'm going to a private home or riding in a private car where
the owner
isn't welcoming of my dog. I typically don't take my guide in
private
vehicles or into private homes unless he has been specifically
invited.
Others handle this differently and that is a perfectly
respectable choice.
If the situation I'm going into would be appropriate for the
dog. I don't
take my guide when I'm going to be sitting squashed in on
bleacher seats
for
example. I don't go to concerts, but that might be another
place I
wouldn't
take a dog.
Whether or not I am up to handling my dog. I never take my
guide to
funerals because I am simply not in a frame of mind to
effectively work
with
him in that situation.
How much the dog has already worked. I just got back from a
business trip
where Monty has essentially been in harness and working for two
full days
with few breaks. He's tired. If I go somewhere else this
evening, I'd
leave him at home.
There are probably other considerations, but these are the main
things that
immediately come to mind. Also these are specific to me and my
current
guide. I might do things differently with another dog.
Certainly each
guide dog user has to figure out their own criteria for when to
choose
which
tool. I'd say I work Monty about 75% of the time and use my
cane the rest.
It's a good balance for me.
HTH
Julie
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Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no
trailing?
Just curious, do you use the cane and the dog interchangably? If
so, in
what situations do you use the dog and in what situations do you
use the
cane? Or do you only use the cane when the dog isn't available?
Just
curious! I'm not old enough to get a dog yet, but I want to.
Chris Nusbaum
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Date sent: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:28:56 -0500
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no
trailing?
Chris,
The thing about trailing is that sooner or later you are going
to put your
hand into something or someone where you probably didn't want
it. *smile*
I think two point touch is the cane travel term you were looking
for.
shorelining with the cane should find doorways or other
landmarks that you
were finding using trailing. Also the sound of the tap of the
cane should
provide auditory information about hallway openings, the
proximity of
walls,
etc.
I do sometimes use trailing at home where I don't use cane or
dog. I find
it especially useful when I have a cold or in the early
morning-precoffee!
Julie
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Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no
trailing?
Thanks, Kelby! I like the rigid cane because it's lighter, so I
can use
the tapping technique (can't remember the ONM term for it) a lot
easier.
I think this technique gives you a lot more information from
sound, plus
echo location, if you use that.
Chris Nusbaum
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From: Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at usfamily.net
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Date sent: Wed, 11 May 2011 15:31:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no
trailing?
I'm going to have to agree on this one. I occasionally trail if
I'm looking for a specific door, but even then it's not always
necessary. Whether you use a folding or rigid cane, if your
technique is correct you should have no trouble. (Trust me,
it's
taken me awhile to develop as much confidence as I as far as
speed of travel goes. I know how you feel.)
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Date sent: Wed, 11 May 2011 15:04:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no
trailing?
Frankly, you are not sacrificing any information you get from
trailing. Why? That's because you are mistaken in the belief
that you get any useful data at all from that technique. Better
to develope a faster pace and trust your cane; and thus, trust
yourself better also. Trailing will slow you down and frankly,
you'l look strange and lacking in confidence compared to the
other blind dues around you who are getting the girls because
they are confident. How's that for insentive?
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On May 11, 2011, at 2:57 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote:
Hi, all.
I have a cane travel question for you. For a long time, I was
using a folding cane with a pencil tip along with the trailing
technique, especially in familiar areas i.e. home, school, etc.
After attending the LAW Program, where they took my folding cane
on the first day and gave me a straight (aka rigid) cane with a
metal tip that I was required to use during the four days I was
there, I started to like the straight cane a lot better and came
back home with one. I don't think I'll switch back to a folding
cane unless I have to, by the way. While I was at the program,
one of the blind mentors was helping me learn how to use this
new
cane, and in the process told me that he would suggest not
trailing in hallways (whether they be in familiar or unfamiliar
areas) and trusting the cane alone. He then said that I need to
work on a faster, more confident pace than I have already. One
of his reasons for that need of a confident pace, by the way, is
to "get the girls," LOL. So I tried not trailing in the
hallways
of the Jernigan Institute building, and it did take some getting
used to. After the program, I thought about what he'd said.
Although I can understand what he's talking about with the
confident pace, I think I get twice the information when I
combine trailing with cane technique. So what do you all think?
Should I sacrifice the information I get from trailing and just
try to get more information from the cane, or keep trailing and
have a little slower pace? Or are there any work-arounds you use
that keep the confident pace and still trail? Any help would be
appreciated! Thanks!
Chris Nusbaum
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Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 08:59:39 -0400
From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
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Hi all,
I promise, if this was a nagdu list thing, then I would post
it there! :)
Anyway, do people notice a trending in the number of cane
users, or
dog guide handlers? )more of one, less of another, or about an
even
number?) if there is ashift in anyway, do you think this
signifies
any sort of message or meaning? What have you noticed? what
does
it mean to you, and why?
Best,
Darian
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