[Blindtlk] cane travel: to trail or not to trail
Nikki Wunderlich
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Mon May 16 22:52:33 UTC 2011
no problem. Glad I can help.
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>wrote:
> Oh! I get it now! Great information, thanks!
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> Chris Nusbaum
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> From: Nikki Wunderlich <nikki0222 at gmail.com
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> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel: to trail or not to trail
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> well, there's a couple different things you can do when shore lining, put
> your non cane hand out a little to assure you don't run in to the wall or
> what ever you're shore lining, or stick your can out a little further than
> normal, so your cane hand is extended, that way you're more likely to find
> stuff at hand level to avoid it. plus when you shore line your cane is
> still
> diaginally acrost you so it still offers protection that way.
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> I wondered that, too. Also, don't you have to protect both sides of your
> body by tapping on both sides? How does that work with shorelining?
>
>
> Chris Nusbaum
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> Date sent: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:08:17 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel: to trail or not to trail
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> Hi, how do you stay by a wall if there are people standing or sitting next
> to them? When I was still in college the students waited by their class
> doors up and down the halls. I had to walk in the middle of the hall
> because
> of this. Luckily I still had some vision and could count doors.
> How would someone with no vision do this?
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> Behalf Of James
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 12:31 PM
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> Subject: [Blindtlk] cane travel: to trail or not to trail
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>
> Just my two cents worth on trailing.
> What is the supposed purpose of trailing?
> To find a door, opening, etc on a wall correct?
> If you learn proper cane technique you can use the shorelining method with
> your cane to find all of these things without ever touching the wall with
> your hand.
> To do it, stay close to the wall and touch the bottom of it with your cane
> tip every step to find what your looking for. Don't beat dents in to the
> baseboard, lol. Hence the need to stick close to the wall.
> I was taught trailing by mobility instructors that didn't know proper cane
> technique. I never employed it much b/c I got tired of banged up fingers
> and
> skinned knuckles.
> Shorelining using the cane is a much better option.
>
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> 1. Re: cane travel question: trailing or no trailing? (Julie J)
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> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 18:44:51 -0500
> From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com
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> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no trailing?
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> Chris,
>
> I do use both dog and cane and am comfortable with either method of
> mobility. I do not use the dog and cane at the same time though.
>
> Which method of travel I choose depends on quite a few factors. Here's a
> few in no particular order.
> If I'm going to a private home or riding in a private car where the owner
> isn't welcoming of my dog. I typically don't take my guide in private
> vehicles or into private homes unless he has been specifically invited.
> Others handle this differently and that is a perfectly respectable choice.
>
> If the situation I'm going into would be appropriate for the dog. I don't
> take my guide when I'm going to be sitting squashed in on bleacher seats
> for
>
> example. I don't go to concerts, but that might be another place I
> wouldn't
>
> take a dog.
>
> Whether or not I am up to handling my dog. I never take my guide to
> funerals because I am simply not in a frame of mind to effectively work
> with
>
> him in that situation.
>
> How much the dog has already worked. I just got back from a business trip
> where Monty has essentially been in harness and working for two full days
> with few breaks. He's tired. If I go somewhere else this evening, I'd
> leave him at home.
>
> There are probably other considerations, but these are the main things that
> immediately come to mind. Also these are specific to me and my current
> guide. I might do things differently with another dog. Certainly each
> guide dog user has to figure out their own criteria for when to choose
> which
>
> tool. I'd say I work Monty about 75% of the time and use my cane the rest.
> It's a good balance for me.
>
> HTH
> Julie
>
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>
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> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
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> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no trailing?
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>
> Just curious, do you use the cane and the dog interchangably? If so, in
> what situations do you use the dog and in what situations do you use the
> cane? Or do you only use the cane when the dog isn't available? Just
> curious! I'm not old enough to get a dog yet, but I want to.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
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> From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com
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> Date sent: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:28:56 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no trailing?
>
> Chris,
>
> The thing about trailing is that sooner or later you are going to put your
> hand into something or someone where you probably didn't want it. *smile*
>
> I think two point touch is the cane travel term you were looking for.
> shorelining with the cane should find doorways or other landmarks that you
> were finding using trailing. Also the sound of the tap of the cane should
> provide auditory information about hallway openings, the proximity of
> walls,
> etc.
>
> I do sometimes use trailing at home where I don't use cane or dog. I find
> it especially useful when I have a cold or in the early morning-precoffee!
>
> Julie
>
>
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> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 4:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no trailing?
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>
> Thanks, Kelby! I like the rigid cane because it's lighter, so I can use
> the tapping technique (can't remember the ONM term for it) a lot easier.
> I think this technique gives you a lot more information from sound, plus
> echo location, if you use that.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at usfamily.net
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> Date sent: Wed, 11 May 2011 15:31:37 -0500 (CDT)
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no trailing?
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> I'm going to have to agree on this one. I occasionally trail if
> I'm looking for a specific door, but even then it's not always
> necessary. Whether you use a folding or rigid cane, if your
> technique is correct you should have no trouble. (Trust me, it's
> taken me awhile to develop as much confidence as I as far as
> speed of travel goes. I know how you feel.)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net
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> Date sent: Wed, 11 May 2011 15:04:47 -0500 (CDT)
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no
> trailing?
>
> Frankly, you are not sacrificing any information you get from
> trailing. Why? That's because you are mistaken in the belief
> that you get any useful data at all from that technique. Better
> to develope a faster pace and trust your cane; and thus, trust
> yourself better also. Trailing will slow you down and frankly,
> you'l look strange and lacking in confidence compared to the
> other blind dues around you who are getting the girls because
> they are confident. How's that for insentive?
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
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> On May 11, 2011, at 2:57 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote:
>
> Hi, all.
>
> I have a cane travel question for you. For a long time, I was
> using a folding cane with a pencil tip along with the trailing
> technique, especially in familiar areas i.e. home, school, etc.
> After attending the LAW Program, where they took my folding cane
> on the first day and gave me a straight (aka rigid) cane with a
> metal tip that I was required to use during the four days I was
> there, I started to like the straight cane a lot better and came
> back home with one. I don't think I'll switch back to a folding
> cane unless I have to, by the way. While I was at the program,
> one of the blind mentors was helping me learn how to use this new
> cane, and in the process told me that he would suggest not
> trailing in hallways (whether they be in familiar or unfamiliar
> areas) and trusting the cane alone. He then said that I need to
> work on a faster, more confident pace than I have already. One
> of his reasons for that need of a confident pace, by the way, is
> to "get the girls," LOL. So I tried not trailing in the hallways
> of the Jernigan Institute building, and it did take some getting
> used to. After the program, I thought about what he'd said.
> Although I can understand what he's talking about with the
> confident pace, I think I get twice the information when I
> combine trailing with cane technique. So what do you all think?
> Should I sacrifice the information I get from trailing and just
> try to get more information from the cane, or keep trailing and
> have a little slower pace? Or are there any work-arounds you use
> that keep the confident pace and still trail? Any help would be
> appreciated! Thanks!
>
> Chris Nusbaum
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> Hi all,
> I promise, if this was a nagdu list thing, then I would post
> it there! :)
> Anyway, do people notice a trending in the number of cane
> users, or
> dog guide handlers? )more of one, less of another, or about an
> even
> number?) if there is ashift in anyway, do you think this
> signifies
> any sort of message or meaning? What have you noticed? what
> does
> it mean to you, and why?
> Best,
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