[Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on ExpeditionImpossible

Thu Sep 1 02:45:11 UTC 2011

Kelby,

People need to take time to decide with whom they wish to identify, but we'd be glad to have you as a member if you 
should decide that is right for you.  You might consider coming to our state convention in Bloomington over the 
weekend of October 7-9, or joine us for our Walk for Opportunity fundraiser on Saturday, September 17 in 
Minneapolis.  You can check our web site for more details, or you can certainly write to me.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 17:46:32 -0500, Kelby Carlson wrote:

>The comments by Gary, David, and Diane are doing a lot to make me 
>further consider joining the NFB.  I'm glad most of the people 
>here are open to differing ways of dealing with the Federation.

>Kelby

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net
>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 17:12:11 -0500
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on 
>ExpeditionImpossible

>hi,

>relax, i know there are varying amounts of scholarships, just not 
>300k.

>Bryan Schulz

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov
>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:58 PM
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on
>ExpeditionImpossible

> Hi,

> I really need our moderator's help here, because I am really 
>having to put
> a tight rein on my fingers.  You have every right to your own 
>opinions,
> however misguided they might be, But your comments are 
>inappropriate.  If
> you knew anything about the scholarship program you would know 
>that they
> aren't all "3k" scholarships.  David isn't "smoking" anything.  
>He has a
> right to his opinion, his kinder, much more mature opinion, and 
>your
> comment to him was beyond inappropriate..

> Diane Graves
> Civil Rights Specialist
> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
> 317-232-2647

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:29 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on
> ExpeditionImpossible

> hi,

> talking to a brick wall!
> 3k is a bit different than 300k!

> Bryan Schulz

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on
> ExpeditionImpossible

> And we didn't put all of our money on him.  We still have money 
>left to
> make other investments, some of which will come back to us In 
>huge
> dividends.  I was in a room full of former scholarship winners 
>this  past
> summer, who were drawn to the federation by similar investments.

> And...  if Erik one day realizes that he has more power with us 
>than
> without us, we'll still be here, and will be eager to put him to 
>work.

> Diane Graves
> Civil Rights Specialist
> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
> 317-232-2647

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 10:34 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on
> ExpeditionImpossible

> hi,

> ok, maybe con isn't the right word but he had wealth in the 
>family and
> had
> travelled to multiple countries to ascend other mountains.  
>sounds
> similar
> to playing the stock market.  would you put all of your money on 
>one
> single
> stock, i don't think so.

> Bryan Schulz

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on
> ExpeditionImpossible

> He didn't CON us out of anything.  He asked for our help.  He 
>was involved
> in a project, had taken on a feat that would, when accomplished, 
>make an
> unshakable statement about the equality of the blind.  We aren't 
>just
> here
> to help our members.  We are here to benefit all of the blind, 
>so we
> weren't being conned.  The very sad thing though is that he 
>didn't choose
> to keep that partnership going.  He got what he needed from us, 
>and now
> he
> is choosing to  go on by himself.

> I think it is extremely audacious that he things that, in order 
>to give
> us
> his time, he can make demands about where he will sit on the 
>agenda, the
> amount of time he will be given, and demand that the entire 
>convention
> be
> sitting at attention throughout his speech.  As someone said 
>yesterday,
> Dr.
> Maurer does not always get   the kind of time that Erik is
> requesting/demanding in order to grace us with his presence.  
>And, very
> sadly, Dr.  Maurer doesn't always get the level of respect and 
>attendance
> from the convention that Erik is demanding.

> But we weren't conned.  We made an investment which was 
>guaranteed to
> change the way the world saw blindness and that we hoped would 
>come back
> to us in the form of a dedicated Federationist.  Unfortunately 
>the second
> part of that return hasn't happened.

> Diane Graves
> Civil Rights Specialist
> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
> 317-232-2647

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:02 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on
> ExpeditionImpossible

> hi,

> how did a man who doesn't want to associate with the nfb con the 
>nfb out
> of
> $300k?

> Bryan Schulz

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 1:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on
> ExpeditionImpossible

> Actually Cindy we are not.

> But I am sure nothing is going to change your mind about that.  
>I am
> sure
> that people who personally know me as well know this as well.

> Erik, feels the way he feels!

> His father feels the way he feels, but at the same time, the 
>only way
> they
> are going to learn is from attending.

> I am not going to push the issues at all.

> I did post items on our list that pertain to other disabilities 
>as in a
> question to others, when we pass accessibility laws for us, they 
>affect
> everyone including those that are not blind.

> I met Dr.  Scott Raines at the Convention, he is a paraplegic, 
>that
> works
> with the US and international disability community in travel.  
>He also
> help
> create bookshare.

> We are working together meaning, if I need help with travel 
>experience
> in
> other countries in the way of accessibility and I don't know I 
>ask him,
> and at the same time it helps to advocate as a blind person as 
>well, he
> came to us at convention and was told by former President Don 
>Gilmore
> to
> reach out to me because of me working to promote advocacy in the 
>travel
> industry for the blind.

> So, should we not allow other people with disabilities not come 
>to our
> convention to learn about us and what we do, that is what it 
>seems.

> Only way we are going to become more knowledgeable about one 
>another is
> to
> learn from one another.

> Please do not take this as being crude or rude, which I am not 
>being at
> all, just making a point.

> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!

> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com
> 631-456-5394
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com

> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Superior Travel, 
>located
> in
> Baldwin, NY.  www.superiortravel.com

> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & 
>Travel,
> Inc.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 1:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on
> ExpeditionImpossible

> I think we're coming from different places in our philosophy, 
>Cheryl.
> I
> believe in the abilities of *blind* people.  I believe that 
>given the
> proper
> training and opportunity, we can compete on an equal basis with 
>our
> sighted
> neighbors.  I also believe that the NFB exists to promote that
> philosophy
> and fight for the rights of blind people whenever necessary.

> I don't believe that all other disabilities have a place in the 
>work
> that
> the NFB is doing.  We're blind and we know the challenges and 
>barriers
> we're
> faced with on a daily basis.  We are not all in wheelchairs or 
>facing
> other
> challenges.  There are other organizations to champion people 
>with
> other
> disabilities.  Beyond the fact that we are not experts in those 
>areas,
> financially, it would be prohibitive to take on all challenges.

> So, until Eric comes to the place where he recognizes that he's 
>a
> blind
> person and the reason he was able to accomplish what he has is 
>in some
> part
> due to the work of the National Federation of the Blind, we may 
>not be
> ready
> to jump at an opportunity to give him the prime audience his 
>father
> believes
> he deserves.

> Cindy

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