[Blindtlk] a great article

Fri Sep 2 04:29:09 UTC 2011

God only knows I have no problem stirring up a hornet's nest now and 
then, when I feel like it's needed.  *grin*

Joseph - KF7QZC

On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 09:14:38PM -0400, Marsha Drenth wrote:
>This thread is very tiring, very frustrating and gets us no where. So if us
>NFB members never ask the tough questions, and look the other way. What was
>the illegal behavior your speaking of? I am pretty sure if there was any
>illegal behavior, we just as much any other person would ask the "tough"
>questions. Not all of us just follow in line like zombies.
>
>If your so anti-NFB, why do you hang out here. Your welcome to leave any
>time. We would rather you go away. So our list can go back to being
>constructive and productive. Oh wait that is right, we are all lyres, we
>allow illegal behavior, and follow like zombies. You can think what you
>want. But this skirting around subjects does nothing. We are not going to
>change our minds about what we think.
>
>Marsha
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:07 PM
>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>
>hi,
>
>no, i'm not accusing anyone, the event already happened.
>the point is don't ask tough questions unless you have thick skin.
>
>Bryan Schulz
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:49 PM
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>
>
>>I see, my mistake.
>>
>> You aren't taking pot shots at the ACB without facts to back it up.  You
>> are taking pot shots at the NFB without facts.
>>
>> It takes a lot of guts to come into an organization and start accusing its
>
>> members of vaguely illegal activities without offering any specifics or
>> evidence.  But I'm sure doing so will get you all the consideration you're
>
>> due.
>>
>> And with that, I think I'm about finished with the discussion.
>>
>> Joseph - KF7QZC
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 05:36:54PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>hi,
>>>
>>>no, i'm not talking about the acb but the point still applies.
>>>
>>>Bryan Schulz
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter"
>>><carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:09 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>
>>>
>>>>I suggest if that helps you maximize your involvement with and benefit
>>>>from an organization, you find another organization.
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps though, we don't want to go down this road, or at least not in
>>>>this fashion.  The ACB has in the past allowed its members to make
>>>>baseless, unsupported, and uncontested claims of illegal behavior by the
>>>>NFB.  It was rather off-putting, and I'd have thought so even if I were
>>>>not a Federationist!  Indeed, it seems always to be so, in any
>>>>organization, whether or not I have any affiliation with anybody.
>>>>
>>>>If there's something new and recent that needs to be discussed regarding
>>>>the ACB, we should probably do it, but in a new thread with the relevant
>>>>details.  If it's a rehash of old wrongdoings by former officers, I don't
>
>>>>know how useful it would be to debate today.  It's like discussing a
>>>>questionable action taken by Janet Reno while she worked for Bill
>>>>Clinton. Anyone personally affected would find it relevant, but society
>>>>as a whole wouldn't be interested today.
>>>>
>>>>Sometimes the bad guys get away with it.  Usually when the good guys
>>>>don't stand up to them until its too late.  But that takes me off on my
>>>>own tangent.
>>>>
>>>>Joseph - KF7QZC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 03:53:02PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>>hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>there should be at least one more.
>>>>>#16. Don't ask tough questions even when a member does something
>>>>>questionable and probably illegal.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bryan Schulz
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum"
>>>>><dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>>>To: "NABS list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "Blind Talk list"
>>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "Gary Legates" <gary.legates at comcast.net>
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM
>>>>>Subject: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have subscribed to
>>>>>>both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum.  The Monitor, as you
>>>>>>know, is the Federation (NFB's)  publication and the Forum is the
>>>>>>Council (or ACB's) publication.  I found a great article in July's
>>>>>>Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize your ACB Membership," giving
>>>>>>fifteen tips on how to take advantage of all ACB (or any organization,
>>>>>>for that matter) has to offer.  I think this could also apply to the
>>>>>>Federation and to NABS or any other special-interest division, and is
>>>>>>some good advice.  To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in parentheses to
>>>>>>some parts of the article.  I have pasted the article below.  Any
>>>>>>thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB down your
>>>>>>throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to learn
>>>>>>about both.  Here is the article.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP
>>>>>>by Kenneth Semien Sr.
>>>>>>All too often, people join organizations without taking
>>>>>>advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details of its
>>>>>>purpose,
>>>>>>mission, and operating practices.  This can very well result in a lack
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>participation and could ultimately result in a decision to forfeit what
>>>>>>could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build great
>>>>>>relationships and effectively share personal skills and abilities that
>>>>>>can
>>>>>>make an enormous difference.  In an effort to encourage you to explore
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed below to
>>>>>>assist
>>>>>>you in being all you can be and help you join with others whose skills
>>>>>>complement yours.
>>>>>>1.  Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions.
>>>>>>2.  Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by
>>>>>>reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others.  In turn
>>>>>>someone may realize that this is the organization they have been
>>>>>>looking
>>>>>>for.
>>>>>>3.  Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get involved.
>>>>>>4.  Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with
>>>>>>them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members you
>>>>>>observe
>>>>>>actively participating in events and projects associated with our
>>>>>>organization.
>>>>>>5.  Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your
>>>>>>chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization.
>>>>>>6.  Make every effort to participate in chapter, state affiliate
>>>>>>and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions.
>>>>>>7.  Inquire about available committees you may be able to serve
>>>>>>on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and objectives.
>>>>>>Seek
>>>>>>to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and abilities
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>the most effective and efficient manner.
>>>>>>8.  If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date
>>>>>>news and announcements from all levels of our organization.  Ask a
>>>>>>president
>>>>>>or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option.
>>>>>>9.  Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by our
>>>>>>organization on all levels.  This is one of the best ways to learn
>>>>>>about
>>>>>>useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships, awards,
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>upcoming projects and events.
>>>>>>10.  Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal
>>>>>>needs.  These groups provide you the opportunity to network with others
>>>>>>sharing common interests, such as your prior or current occupation,
>>>>>>hobbies,
>>>>>>health concerns and so much more.
>>>>>>11.  Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to learn
>>>>>>of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our
>>>>>>organization.
>>>>>>12.  Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming
>>>>>>familiar with officer titles and duties.
>>>>>>13.  Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge,
>>>>>>such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours conference calls
>>>>>>with
>>>>>>the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group calls.
>>>>>>14.  Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate and
>>>>>>our national organization.  You may locate information on the web site
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>you didn't think of inquiring about.
>>>>>>15.  Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to do
>>>>>>the same.
>>>>>>The more you know and the more you become involved, the more you
>>>>>>will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal organization that
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>continuing to grow.  Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris Nusbaum
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
>>>>>>problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If
>>>>>>a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
>>>>>>be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President
>
>>>>>>of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>>>>>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>>>>>>impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>>>>
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