[Blindtlk] a great article

Sat Sep 3 01:18:51 UTC 2011

Hi Desiree,

Thanks for the support! In fact, as I said in my earlier post, I'm
trying to learn all I can, so I can be informed. That's all. When I
find an article like this one in any publication, that I think some
people on lists I'm on would find usefull, I post it and ask for
thoughts.

Chris

On 9/1/11, Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Whoa guys, take a step back and look at what you're saying. While this
> may not be the place to discuss the ACB and its policies (I agree, it
> isn't) take into account this person's age. He's just a kid.
> Questioning is a normal and natural part of adolescent growth, and to
> stifle that is to stifle your own upbringing. Maybe that's what makes
> you all most comfortable...There are plenty of adults who would rather
> forget the discomfort of their formative years. But as a nearly
> 22-year-old myself I feel I must speak in Chris's defense.
>
> On 9/1/11, Jeanette Fortin <jeanette at fortin-home.com> wrote:
>> you go girl, my thoughts exactly, jeanette
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>
>>
>>> This thread is very tiring, very frustrating and gets us no where. So if
>>> us
>>> NFB members never ask the tough questions, and look the other way. What
>>> was
>>> the illegal behavior your speaking of? I am pretty sure if there was any
>>> illegal behavior, we just as much any other person would ask the "tough"
>>> questions. Not all of us just follow in line like zombies.
>>>
>>> If your so anti-NFB, why do you hang out here. Your welcome to leave any
>>> time. We would rather you go away. So our list can go back to being
>>> constructive and productive. Oh wait that is right, we are all lyres, we
>>> allow illegal behavior, and follow like zombies. You can think what you
>>> want. But this skirting around subjects does nothing. We are not going to
>>> change our minds about what we think.
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:07 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> no, i'm not accusing anyone, the event already happened.
>>> the point is don't ask tough questions unless you have thick skin.
>>>
>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>
>>>
>>>>I see, my mistake.
>>>>
>>>> You aren't taking pot shots at the ACB without facts to back it up.  You
>>>> are taking pot shots at the NFB without facts.
>>>>
>>>> It takes a lot of guts to come into an organization and start accusing
>>>> its
>>>
>>>> members of vaguely illegal activities without offering any specifics or
>>>> evidence.  But I'm sure doing so will get you all the consideration
>>>> you're
>>>
>>>> due.
>>>>
>>>> And with that, I think I'm about finished with the discussion.
>>>>
>>>> Joseph - KF7QZC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 05:36:54PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>>hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>no, i'm not talking about the acb but the point still applies.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bryan Schulz
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter"
>>>>><carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:09 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I suggest if that helps you maximize your involvement with and benefit
>>>>>>from an organization, you find another organization.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Perhaps though, we don't want to go down this road, or at least not in
>>>>>>this fashion.  The ACB has in the past allowed its members to make
>>>>>>baseless, unsupported, and uncontested claims of illegal behavior by
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>NFB.  It was rather off-putting, and I'd have thought so even if I were
>>>>>>not a Federationist!  Indeed, it seems always to be so, in any
>>>>>>organization, whether or not I have any affiliation with anybody.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If there's something new and recent that needs to be discussed
>>>>>> regarding
>>>>>>the ACB, we should probably do it, but in a new thread with the
>>>>>> relevant
>>>>>>details.  If it's a rehash of old wrongdoings by former officers, I
>>>>>>don't
>>>
>>>>>>know how useful it would be to debate today.  It's like discussing a
>>>>>>questionable action taken by Janet Reno while she worked for Bill
>>>>>>Clinton. Anyone personally affected would find it relevant, but society
>>>>>>as a whole wouldn't be interested today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sometimes the bad guys get away with it.  Usually when the good guys
>>>>>>don't stand up to them until its too late.  But that takes me off on my
>>>>>>own tangent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Joseph - KF7QZC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 03:53:02PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>>>>hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>there should be at least one more.
>>>>>>>#16. Don't ask tough questions even when a member does something
>>>>>>>questionable and probably illegal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum"
>>>>>>><dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>To: "NABS list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "Blind Talk list"
>>>>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "Gary Legates" <gary.legates at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have subscribed to
>>>>>>>>both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum.  The Monitor, as you
>>>>>>>>know, is the Federation (NFB's)  publication and the Forum is the
>>>>>>>>Council (or ACB's) publication.  I found a great article in July's
>>>>>>>>Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize your ACB Membership," giving
>>>>>>>>fifteen tips on how to take advantage of all ACB (or any
>>>>>>>> organization,
>>>>>>>>for that matter) has to offer.  I think this could also apply to the
>>>>>>>>Federation and to NABS or any other special-interest division, and is
>>>>>>>>some good advice.  To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in parentheses to
>>>>>>>>some parts of the article.  I have pasted the article below.  Any
>>>>>>>>thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB down your
>>>>>>>>throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to learn
>>>>>>>>about both.  Here is the article.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP
>>>>>>>>by Kenneth Semien Sr.
>>>>>>>>All too often, people join organizations without taking
>>>>>>>>advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details of its
>>>>>>>>purpose,
>>>>>>>>mission, and operating practices.  This can very well result in a
>>>>>>>> lack
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>participation and could ultimately result in a decision to forfeit
>>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build great
>>>>>>>>relationships and effectively share personal skills and abilities
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>can
>>>>>>>>make an enormous difference.  In an effort to encourage you to
>>>>>>>> explore
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed below to
>>>>>>>>assist
>>>>>>>>you in being all you can be and help you join with others whose
>>>>>>>> skills
>>>>>>>>complement yours.
>>>>>>>>1.  Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions.
>>>>>>>>2.  Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by
>>>>>>>>reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others.  In turn
>>>>>>>>someone may realize that this is the organization they have been
>>>>>>>>looking
>>>>>>>>for.
>>>>>>>>3.  Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get involved.
>>>>>>>>4.  Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with
>>>>>>>>them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members you
>>>>>>>>observe
>>>>>>>>actively participating in events and projects associated with our
>>>>>>>>organization.
>>>>>>>>5.  Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your
>>>>>>>>chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization.
>>>>>>>>6.  Make every effort to participate in chapter, state affiliate
>>>>>>>>and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions.
>>>>>>>>7.  Inquire about available committees you may be able to serve
>>>>>>>>on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and objectives.
>>>>>>>>Seek
>>>>>>>>to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and
>>>>>>>> abilities
>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>the most effective and efficient manner.
>>>>>>>>8.  If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date
>>>>>>>>news and announcements from all levels of our organization.  Ask a
>>>>>>>>president
>>>>>>>>or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option.
>>>>>>>>9.  Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by our
>>>>>>>>organization on all levels.  This is one of the best ways to learn
>>>>>>>>about
>>>>>>>>useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships, awards,
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>upcoming projects and events.
>>>>>>>>10.  Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal
>>>>>>>>needs.  These groups provide you the opportunity to network with
>>>>>>>>others
>>>>>>>>sharing common interests, such as your prior or current occupation,
>>>>>>>>hobbies,
>>>>>>>>health concerns and so much more.
>>>>>>>>11.  Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to learn
>>>>>>>>of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our
>>>>>>>>organization.
>>>>>>>>12.  Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming
>>>>>>>>familiar with officer titles and duties.
>>>>>>>>13.  Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge,
>>>>>>>>such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours conference
>>>>>>>> calls
>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group calls.
>>>>>>>>14.  Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate and
>>>>>>>>our national organization.  You may locate information on the web
>>>>>>>> site
>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>you didn't think of inquiring about.
>>>>>>>>15.  Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to do
>>>>>>>>the same.
>>>>>>>>The more you know and the more you become involved, the more you
>>>>>>>>will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal organization
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>continuing to grow.  Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Chris Nusbaum
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
>>>>>>>>problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.
>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
>>>>>>>>be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>>>>>>(President
>>>
>>>>>>>>of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>>>>>>>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>>>>>>>>impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>>>>>>
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-- 
Chris Nusbaum

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan

Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"