[Blindtlk] [Bulk] Re: a great article
Ray Foret Jr
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Fri Sep 2 20:56:38 UTC 2011
Ah yes, I have a recording of the stream of that particular days' events. I must say, that was quite an episode.
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On Sep 2, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Marsha Drenth wrote:
> An example of not all of us following like zombies, at the national
> convention. A resolution about apple. Don't quite remember the wordage, but
> it did not pass. More than half of the floor voted against it. If you were
> at the convention you would know what I am talking about.
>
> I was one of the many who voted against the resolution. I didn't think it
> was fair, and not something the NFB needed to make an resolution for.
>
> Others are welcome to chime in here...
> Marsha
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:19 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>
> hi,
>
> no point in rehashing the lost funds as they have been forgiven in the
> midwest.
> i was the only one to push the issue and was blasted for it. it's things
> like that which make the nfb taste bitter.
>
> Not all of us just follow in line like zombies.
>
> I'd like to see more examples of that.
>
> Bryan Schulz
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 8:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>
>
>> This thread is very tiring, very frustrating and gets us no where. So if
>> us
>> NFB members never ask the tough questions, and look the other way. What
>> was
>> the illegal behavior your speaking of? I am pretty sure if there was any
>> illegal behavior, we just as much any other person would ask the "tough"
>> questions. Not all of us just follow in line like zombies.
>>
>> If your so anti-NFB, why do you hang out here. Your welcome to leave any
>> time. We would rather you go away. So our list can go back to being
>> constructive and productive. Oh wait that is right, we are all lyres, we
>> allow illegal behavior, and follow like zombies. You can think what you
>> want. But this skirting around subjects does nothing. We are not going to
>> change our minds about what we think.
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:07 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> no, i'm not accusing anyone, the event already happened.
>> the point is don't ask tough questions unless you have thick skin.
>>
>> Bryan Schulz
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>
>>
>>> I see, my mistake.
>>>
>>> You aren't taking pot shots at the ACB without facts to back it up. You
>>> are taking pot shots at the NFB without facts.
>>>
>>> It takes a lot of guts to come into an organization and start accusing
>>> its
>>
>>> members of vaguely illegal activities without offering any specifics or
>>> evidence. But I'm sure doing so will get you all the consideration
>>> you're
>>
>>> due.
>>>
>>> And with that, I think I'm about finished with the discussion.
>>>
>>> Joseph - KF7QZC
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 05:36:54PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>> hi,
>>>>
>>>> no, i'm not talking about the acb but the point still applies.
>>>>
>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter"
>>>> <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:09 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I suggest if that helps you maximize your involvement with and benefit
>>>>> from an organization, you find another organization.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps though, we don't want to go down this road, or at least not in
>>>>> this fashion. The ACB has in the past allowed its members to make
>>>>> baseless, unsupported, and uncontested claims of illegal behavior by the
>>>>> NFB. It was rather off-putting, and I'd have thought so even if I were
>>>>> not a Federationist! Indeed, it seems always to be so, in any
>>>>> organization, whether or not I have any affiliation with anybody.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there's something new and recent that needs to be discussed regarding
>>>>> the ACB, we should probably do it, but in a new thread with the relevant
>>>>> details. If it's a rehash of old wrongdoings by former officers, I
>>>>> don't
>>
>>>>> know how useful it would be to debate today. It's like discussing a
>>>>> questionable action taken by Janet Reno while she worked for Bill
>>>>> Clinton. Anyone personally affected would find it relevant, but society
>>>>> as a whole wouldn't be interested today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes the bad guys get away with it. Usually when the good guys
>>>>> don't stand up to them until its too late. But that takes me off on my
>>>>> own tangent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joseph - KF7QZC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 03:53:02PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> there should be at least one more.
>>>>>> #16. Don't ask tough questions even when a member does something
>>>>>> questionable and probably illegal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum"
>>>>>> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NABS list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "Blind Talk list"
>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "Gary Legates" <gary.legates at comcast.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have subscribed to
>>>>>>> both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum. The Monitor, as you
>>>>>>> know, is the Federation (NFB's) publication and the Forum is the
>>>>>>> Council (or ACB's) publication. I found a great article in July's
>>>>>>> Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize your ACB Membership," giving
>>>>>>> fifteen tips on how to take advantage of all ACB (or any organization,
>>>>>>> for that matter) has to offer. I think this could also apply to the
>>>>>>> Federation and to NABS or any other special-interest division, and is
>>>>>>> some good advice. To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in parentheses to
>>>>>>> some parts of the article. I have pasted the article below. Any
>>>>>>> thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB down your
>>>>>>> throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to learn
>>>>>>> about both. Here is the article.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP
>>>>>>> by Kenneth Semien Sr.
>>>>>>> All too often, people join organizations without taking
>>>>>>> advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details of its
>>>>>>> purpose,
>>>>>>> mission, and operating practices. This can very well result in a lack
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> participation and could ultimately result in a decision to forfeit
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build great
>>>>>>> relationships and effectively share personal skills and abilities that
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> make an enormous difference. In an effort to encourage you to explore
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed below to
>>>>>>> assist
>>>>>>> you in being all you can be and help you join with others whose skills
>>>>>>> complement yours.
>>>>>>> 1. Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions.
>>>>>>> 2. Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by
>>>>>>> reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others. In turn
>>>>>>> someone may realize that this is the organization they have been
>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>> for.
>>>>>>> 3. Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get involved.
>>>>>>> 4. Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with
>>>>>>> them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members you
>>>>>>> observe
>>>>>>> actively participating in events and projects associated with our
>>>>>>> organization.
>>>>>>> 5. Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your
>>>>>>> chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization.
>>>>>>> 6. Make every effort to participate in chapter, state affiliate
>>>>>>> and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions.
>>>>>>> 7. Inquire about available committees you may be able to serve
>>>>>>> on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and objectives.
>>>>>>> Seek
>>>>>>> to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and abilities
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the most effective and efficient manner.
>>>>>>> 8. If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date
>>>>>>> news and announcements from all levels of our organization. Ask a
>>>>>>> president
>>>>>>> or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option.
>>>>>>> 9. Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by our
>>>>>>> organization on all levels. This is one of the best ways to learn
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships, awards,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> upcoming projects and events.
>>>>>>> 10. Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal
>>>>>>> needs. These groups provide you the opportunity to network with
>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>> sharing common interests, such as your prior or current occupation,
>>>>>>> hobbies,
>>>>>>> health concerns and so much more.
>>>>>>> 11. Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to learn
>>>>>>> of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our
>>>>>>> organization.
>>>>>>> 12. Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming
>>>>>>> familiar with officer titles and duties.
>>>>>>> 13. Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge,
>>>>>>> such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours conference calls
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group calls.
>>>>>>> 14. Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate and
>>>>>>> our national organization. You may locate information on the web site
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> you didn't think of inquiring about.
>>>>>>> 15. Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to do
>>>>>>> the same.
>>>>>>> The more you know and the more you become involved, the more you
>>>>>>> will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal organization that
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> continuing to grow. Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
>>>>>>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
>>>>>>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
>>>>>>> be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>>>>> (President
>>
>>>>>>> of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>>>>>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>>>>>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>>>>>
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