[Blindtlk] a great article

Sat Sep 3 01:12:08 UTC 2011

Hi Cheryl,

I'm liking you more and more as this thread wears on, lol! Just FYI,
the book was written by Floyd Matson. I agree with your suggestions.
Although a friend of mine gives me a hard time for listening and
reading every history-related material on the nfb.org site I can get
my hands on, and "going where no Federationist has gone before," the
ACB Web site, he has to admit that I have learned a lot more about the
NFB's history, which helps me understand NFB's beliefs today.

Chris

On 9/2/11, cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Marsha is right, I had posted stuff as to why I joined the NFB over ACB many
> times.  I joined as an adult.
>
> If he is curious go ahead we should not be militant about it, just educate,
> we don't want to scare anyone away, we are said that we are that militant
> out there, that many leave the talk lists before ever stepping foot in a
> meeting or anything else.
>
> The older generation of the break up of the NFB/ACB are dying out, and the
> only way to continue with prejudices is to put stuff in people heads without
> them finding out about them first hand, like the sighted community thinks
> about us, without even looking past that we are blind.
>
> My point is, let people ask and post, and then educate them.
>
> Read Dr. Kenneth Jernigan's Book Walking Alone and Marching Together
>
> In fact it is on the nfb.org website
> http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Audio/WAMT/02%20Book%20Jacket.mp3
>
> knowledge is wealth, read about Dr. tenBroek who started the movement, we
> celebrated his 100th birthday at National Convention this year.
>
> But I was applaud to learn that at the ACB Convention that they didn't
> recognize this great man, who started the movement for all of us.  I mean
> without him there may not have been anything for either organization as we
> know it today.
>
> JMHO
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 7:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>
>
>> I wasn't questioning why or why not who ever posted the article. I do
>> think
>> it is valid for a younger person to question things, its all a part of
>> growing up and developing. My argument is to that all NFB members are NOT
>> followers like zombies, allow illegal behavior, and we can't think for our
>> selves.
>>
>> Don't jump on me, if whom ever wants to post things because they are
>> curious, because they are questioning things, then go right ahead. But do
>> not call us people who the things I mentioned above.
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Desiree Oudinot
>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 11:25 PM
>> To: Jeanette Fortin; Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>
>> Whoa guys, take a step back and look at what you're saying. While this
>> may not be the place to discuss the ACB and its policies (I agree, it
>> isn't) take into account this person's age. He's just a kid.
>> Questioning is a normal and natural part of adolescent growth, and to
>> stifle that is to stifle your own upbringing. Maybe that's what makes
>> you all most comfortable...There are plenty of adults who would rather
>> forget the discomfort of their formative years. But as a nearly
>> 22-year-old myself I feel I must speak in Chris's defense.
>>
>> On 9/1/11, Jeanette Fortin <jeanette at fortin-home.com> wrote:
>> > you go girl, my thoughts exactly, jeanette
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> > To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:14 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>> >
>> >
>> >> This thread is very tiring, very frustrating and gets us no where. So
>> >> if
>> >> us
>> >> NFB members never ask the tough questions, and look the other way. What
>> >> was
>> >> the illegal behavior your speaking of? I am pretty sure if there was
>> >> any
>> >> illegal behavior, we just as much any other person would ask the
>> >> "tough"
>> >> questions. Not all of us just follow in line like zombies.
>> >>
>> >> If your so anti-NFB, why do you hang out here. Your welcome to leave
>> >> any
>> >> time. We would rather you go away. So our list can go back to being
>> >> constructive and productive. Oh wait that is right, we are all lyres,
>> >> we
>> >> allow illegal behavior, and follow like zombies. You can think what you
>> >> want. But this skirting around subjects does nothing. We are not going
>> >> to
>> >> change our minds about what we think.
>> >>
>> >> Marsha
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >> On
>> >> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>> >> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:07 PM
>> >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>> >>
>> >> hi,
>> >>
>> >> no, i'm not accusing anyone, the event already happened.
>> >> the point is don't ask tough questions unless you have thick skin.
>> >>
>> >> Bryan Schulz
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>> >> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:49 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>I see, my mistake.
>> >>>
>> >>> You aren't taking pot shots at the ACB without facts to back it up.
>> >>> You
>> >>> are taking pot shots at the NFB without facts.
>> >>>
>> >>> It takes a lot of guts to come into an organization and start accusing
>> >>> its
>> >>
>> >>> members of vaguely illegal activities without offering any specifics
>> >>> or
>> >>> evidence.  But I'm sure doing so will get you all the consideration
>> >>> you're
>> >>
>> >>> due.
>> >>>
>> >>> And with that, I think I'm about finished with the discussion.
>> >>>
>> >>> Joseph - KF7QZC
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 05:36:54PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>> >>>>hi,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>no, i'm not talking about the acb but the point still applies.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Bryan Schulz
>> >>>>
>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter"
>> >>>><carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>> >>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:09 PM
>> >>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>I suggest if that helps you maximize your involvement with and
>> >>>>>benefit
>> >>>>>from an organization, you find another organization.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Perhaps though, we don't want to go down this road, or at least not
>> >>>>>in
>> >>>>>this fashion.  The ACB has in the past allowed its members to make
>> >>>>>baseless, unsupported, and uncontested claims of illegal behavior by
>> the
>> >>>>>NFB.  It was rather off-putting, and I'd have thought so even if I
>> >>>>>were
>> >>>>>not a Federationist!  Indeed, it seems always to be so, in any
>> >>>>>organization, whether or not I have any affiliation with anybody.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>If there's something new and recent that needs to be discussed
>> regarding
>> >>>>>the ACB, we should probably do it, but in a new thread with the
>> relevant
>> >>>>>details.  If it's a rehash of old wrongdoings by former officers, I
>> >>>>>don't
>> >>
>> >>>>>know how useful it would be to debate today.  It's like discussing a
>> >>>>>questionable action taken by Janet Reno while she worked for Bill
>> >>>>>Clinton. Anyone personally affected would find it relevant, but
>> >>>>>society
>> >>>>>as a whole wouldn't be interested today.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Sometimes the bad guys get away with it.  Usually when the good guys
>> >>>>>don't stand up to them until its too late.  But that takes me off on
>> >>>>>my
>> >>>>>own tangent.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Joseph - KF7QZC
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 03:53:02PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>> >>>>>>hi,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>there should be at least one more.
>> >>>>>>#16. Don't ask tough questions even when a member does something
>> >>>>>>questionable and probably illegal.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>Bryan Schulz
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum"
>> >>>>>><dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>To: "NABS list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "Blind Talk list"
>> >>>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "Gary Legates" <gary.legates at comcast.net>
>> >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM
>> >>>>>>Subject: [Blindtlk] a great article
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>Hi everyone,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have subscribed
>> >>>>>>>to
>> >>>>>>>both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum.  The Monitor, as
>> >>>>>>>you
>> >>>>>>>know, is the Federation (NFB's)  publication and the Forum is the
>> >>>>>>>Council (or ACB's) publication.  I found a great article in July's
>> >>>>>>>Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize your ACB Membership,"
>> >>>>>>>giving
>> >>>>>>>fifteen tips on how to take advantage of all ACB (or any
>> organization,
>> >>>>>>>for that matter) has to offer.  I think this could also apply to
>> >>>>>>>the
>> >>>>>>>Federation and to NABS or any other special-interest division, and
>> >>>>>>>is
>> >>>>>>>some good advice.  To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in parentheses
>> >>>>>>>to
>> >>>>>>>some parts of the article.  I have pasted the article below.  Any
>> >>>>>>>thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB down
>> >>>>>>>your
>> >>>>>>>throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to learn
>> >>>>>>>about both.  Here is the article.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP
>> >>>>>>>by Kenneth Semien Sr.
>> >>>>>>>All too often, people join organizations without taking
>> >>>>>>>advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details of its
>> >>>>>>>purpose,
>> >>>>>>>mission, and operating practices.  This can very well result in a
>> lack
>> >>>>>>>of
>> >>>>>>>participation and could ultimately result in a decision to forfeit
>> >>>>>>>what
>> >>>>>>>could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build great
>> >>>>>>>relationships and effectively share personal skills and abilities
>> that
>> >>>>>>>can
>> >>>>>>>make an enormous difference.  In an effort to encourage you to
>> explore
>> >>>>>>>the
>> >>>>>>>meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed below to
>> >>>>>>>assist
>> >>>>>>>you in being all you can be and help you join with others whose
>> skills
>> >>>>>>>complement yours.
>> >>>>>>>1.  Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions.
>> >>>>>>>2.  Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by
>> >>>>>>>reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others.  In
>> >>>>>>>turn
>> >>>>>>>someone may realize that this is the organization they have been
>> >>>>>>>looking
>> >>>>>>>for.
>> >>>>>>>3.  Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get involved.
>> >>>>>>>4.  Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with
>> >>>>>>>them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members you
>> >>>>>>>observe
>> >>>>>>>actively participating in events and projects associated with our
>> >>>>>>>organization.
>> >>>>>>>5.  Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your
>> >>>>>>>chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization.
>> >>>>>>>6.  Make every effort to participate in chapter, state affiliate
>> >>>>>>>and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions.
>> >>>>>>>7.  Inquire about available committees you may be able to serve
>> >>>>>>>on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and
>> >>>>>>>objectives.
>> >>>>>>>Seek
>> >>>>>>>to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and
>> abilities
>> >>>>>>>in
>> >>>>>>>the most effective and efficient manner.
>> >>>>>>>8.  If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date
>> >>>>>>>news and announcements from all levels of our organization.  Ask a
>> >>>>>>>president
>> >>>>>>>or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option.
>> >>>>>>>9.  Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by our
>> >>>>>>>organization on all levels.  This is one of the best ways to learn
>> >>>>>>>about
>> >>>>>>>useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships,
>> >>>>>>>awards,
>> >>>>>>>and
>> >>>>>>>upcoming projects and events.
>> >>>>>>>10.  Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal
>> >>>>>>>needs.  These groups provide you the opportunity to network with
>> >>>>>>>others
>> >>>>>>>sharing common interests, such as your prior or current occupation,
>> >>>>>>>hobbies,
>> >>>>>>>health concerns and so much more.
>> >>>>>>>11.  Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to learn
>> >>>>>>>of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our
>> >>>>>>>organization.
>> >>>>>>>12.  Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming
>> >>>>>>>familiar with officer titles and duties.
>> >>>>>>>13.  Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge,
>> >>>>>>>such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours conference
>> calls
>> >>>>>>>with
>> >>>>>>>the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group
>> >>>>>>>calls.
>> >>>>>>>14.  Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate and
>> >>>>>>>our national organization.  You may locate information on the web
>> site
>> >>>>>>>that
>> >>>>>>>you didn't think of inquiring about.
>> >>>>>>>15.  Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to do
>> >>>>>>>the same.
>> >>>>>>>The more you know and the more you become involved, the more you
>> >>>>>>>will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal organization
>> that
>> >>>>>>>is
>> >>>>>>>continuing to grow.  Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure!
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>Chris Nusbaum
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>> >>>>>>>real
>> >>>>>>>problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.
>> If
>> >>>>>>>a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
>> >>>>>>>can
>> >>>>>>>be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan
>> >>>>>>>(President
>> >>
>> >>>>>>>of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info
>> >>>>>>>for
>> >>>>>>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>> >>>>>>>impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>Sent from my BrailleNote
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"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan

Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
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