[Blindtlk] Resolution that didn't pass about apple

Sat Sep 3 16:58:38 UTC 2011

Well maybe people on this list that voted against it elaborate as to why 
they voted against it.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] [Bulk] Re: a great article

> Ah yes, I have a recording of the stream of that particular days' events. 
> I must say, that was quite an episode.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
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> On Sep 2, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Marsha Drenth wrote:
>
> > An example of not all of us following like zombies, at the national
> > convention. A resolution about apple. Don't quite remember the wordage, 
> > but
> > it did not pass. More than half of the floor voted against it. If you 
> > were
> > at the convention you would know what I am talking about.
> >
> > I was one of the many who voted against the resolution. I didn't think 
> > it
> > was fair, and not something the NFB needed to make an resolution for.
> >
> > Others are welcome to chime in here...
> > Marsha
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> > On
> > Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
> > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:19 PM
> > To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
> >
> > hi,
> >
> > no point in rehashing the lost funds as they have been forgiven in the
> > midwest.
> > i was the only one to push the issue and was blasted for it. it's things
> > like that which make the nfb taste bitter.
> >
> > Not all of us just follow in line like zombies.
> >
> > I'd like to see more examples of that.
> >
> > Bryan Schulz
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> > To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 8:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
> >
> >
> >> This thread is very tiring, very frustrating and gets us no where. So 
> >> if
> >> us
> >> NFB members never ask the tough questions, and look the other way. What
> >> was
> >> the illegal behavior your speaking of? I am pretty sure if there was 
> >> any
> >> illegal behavior, we just as much any other person would ask the 
> >> "tough"
> >> questions. Not all of us just follow in line like zombies.
> >>
> >> If your so anti-NFB, why do you hang out here. Your welcome to leave 
> >> any
> >> time. We would rather you go away. So our list can go back to being
> >> constructive and productive. Oh wait that is right, we are all lyres, 
> >> we
> >> allow illegal behavior, and follow like zombies. You can think what you
> >> want. But this skirting around subjects does nothing. We are not going 
> >> to
> >> change our minds about what we think.
> >>
> >> Marsha
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> >> On
> >> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:07 PM
> >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
> >>
> >> hi,
> >>
> >> no, i'm not accusing anyone, the event already happened.
> >> the point is don't ask tough questions unless you have thick skin.
> >>
> >> Bryan Schulz
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
> >> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:49 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
> >>
> >>
> >>> I see, my mistake.
> >>>
> >>> You aren't taking pot shots at the ACB without facts to back it up. 
> >>> You
> >>> are taking pot shots at the NFB without facts.
> >>>
> >>> It takes a lot of guts to come into an organization and start accusing
> >>> its
> >>
> >>> members of vaguely illegal activities without offering any specifics 
> >>> or
> >>> evidence.  But I'm sure doing so will get you all the consideration
> >>> you're
> >>
> >>> due.
> >>>
> >>> And with that, I think I'm about finished with the discussion.
> >>>
> >>> Joseph - KF7QZC
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 05:36:54PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
> >>>> hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> no, i'm not talking about the acb but the point still applies.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bryan Schulz
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter"
> >>>> <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
> >>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:09 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I suggest if that helps you maximize your involvement with and 
> >>>>> benefit
> >>>>> from an organization, you find another organization.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Perhaps though, we don't want to go down this road, or at least not 
> >>>>> in
> >>>>> this fashion.  The ACB has in the past allowed its members to make
> >>>>> baseless, unsupported, and uncontested claims of illegal behavior by 
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> NFB.  It was rather off-putting, and I'd have thought so even if I 
> >>>>> were
> >>>>> not a Federationist!  Indeed, it seems always to be so, in any
> >>>>> organization, whether or not I have any affiliation with anybody.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If there's something new and recent that needs to be discussed 
> >>>>> regarding
> >>>>> the ACB, we should probably do it, but in a new thread with the 
> >>>>> relevant
> >>>>> details.  If it's a rehash of old wrongdoings by former officers, I
> >>>>> don't
> >>
> >>>>> know how useful it would be to debate today.  It's like discussing a
> >>>>> questionable action taken by Janet Reno while she worked for Bill
> >>>>> Clinton. Anyone personally affected would find it relevant, but 
> >>>>> society
> >>>>> as a whole wouldn't be interested today.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sometimes the bad guys get away with it.  Usually when the good guys
> >>>>> don't stand up to them until its too late.  But that takes me off on 
> >>>>> my
> >>>>> own tangent.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Joseph - KF7QZC
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 03:53:02PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
> >>>>>> hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> there should be at least one more.
> >>>>>> #16. Don't ask tough questions even when a member does something
> >>>>>> questionable and probably illegal.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bryan Schulz
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum"
> >>>>>> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> To: "NABS list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "Blind Talk list"
> >>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "Gary Legates" <gary.legates at comcast.net>
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] a great article
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi everyone,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have subscribed 
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum.  The Monitor, as 
> >>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>> know, is the Federation (NFB's)  publication and the Forum is the
> >>>>>>> Council (or ACB's) publication.  I found a great article in July's
> >>>>>>> Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize your ACB Membership," 
> >>>>>>> giving
> >>>>>>> fifteen tips on how to take advantage of all ACB (or any 
> >>>>>>> organization,
> >>>>>>> for that matter) has to offer.  I think this could also apply to 
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> Federation and to NABS or any other special-interest division, and 
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>> some good advice.  To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in parentheses 
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> some parts of the article.  I have pasted the article below.  Any
> >>>>>>> thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB down 
> >>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>> throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to learn
> >>>>>>> about both.  Here is the article.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP
> >>>>>>> by Kenneth Semien Sr.
> >>>>>>> All too often, people join organizations without taking
> >>>>>>> advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details of 
> >>>>>>> its
> >>>>>>> purpose,
> >>>>>>> mission, and operating practices.  This can very well result in a 
> >>>>>>> lack
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> participation and could ultimately result in a decision to forfeit
> >>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>> could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build 
> >>>>>>> great
> >>>>>>> relationships and effectively share personal skills and abilities 
> >>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>> make an enormous difference.  In an effort to encourage you to 
> >>>>>>> explore
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed below 
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> assist
> >>>>>>> you in being all you can be and help you join with others whose 
> >>>>>>> skills
> >>>>>>> complement yours.
> >>>>>>> 1.  Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions.
> >>>>>>> 2.  Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by
> >>>>>>> reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others.  In 
> >>>>>>> turn
> >>>>>>> someone may realize that this is the organization they have been
> >>>>>>> looking
> >>>>>>> for.
> >>>>>>> 3.  Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get involved.
> >>>>>>> 4.  Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with
> >>>>>>> them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members you
> >>>>>>> observe
> >>>>>>> actively participating in events and projects associated with our
> >>>>>>> organization.
> >>>>>>> 5.  Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your
> >>>>>>> chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization.
> >>>>>>> 6.  Make every effort to participate in chapter, state affiliate
> >>>>>>> and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions.
> >>>>>>> 7.  Inquire about available committees you may be able to serve
> >>>>>>> on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and 
> >>>>>>> objectives.
> >>>>>>> Seek
> >>>>>>> to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and 
> >>>>>>> abilities
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>> the most effective and efficient manner.
> >>>>>>> 8.  If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date
> >>>>>>> news and announcements from all levels of our organization.  Ask a
> >>>>>>> president
> >>>>>>> or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option.
> >>>>>>> 9.  Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by our
> >>>>>>> organization on all levels.  This is one of the best ways to learn
> >>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>> useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships, 
> >>>>>>> awards,
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> upcoming projects and events.
> >>>>>>> 10.  Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal
> >>>>>>> needs.  These groups provide you the opportunity to network with
> >>>>>>> others
> >>>>>>> sharing common interests, such as your prior or current 
> >>>>>>> occupation,
> >>>>>>> hobbies,
> >>>>>>> health concerns and so much more.
> >>>>>>> 11.  Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to learn
> >>>>>>> of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our
> >>>>>>> organization.
> >>>>>>> 12.  Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming
> >>>>>>> familiar with officer titles and duties.
> >>>>>>> 13.  Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge,
> >>>>>>> such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours conference 
> >>>>>>> calls
> >>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>> the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group 
> >>>>>>> calls.
> >>>>>>> 14.  Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate and
> >>>>>>> our national organization.  You may locate information on the web 
> >>>>>>> site
> >>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>> you didn't think of inquiring about.
> >>>>>>> 15.  Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to do
> >>>>>>> the same.
> >>>>>>> The more you know and the more you become involved, the more you
> >>>>>>> will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal organization 
> >>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>> continuing to grow.  Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Chris Nusbaum
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
> >>>>>>> real
> >>>>>>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. 
> >>>>>>> If
> >>>>>>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness 
> >>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>> be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan
> >>>>>>> (President
> >>
> >>>>>>> of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info 
> >>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
> >>>>>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote
> >>>>>>>
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