[Blindtlk] NFB Is Anti Guide Dog?

Marion Gwizdala blind411 at verizon.net
Mon Sep 5 00:51:40 UTC 2011 

Dear All,
    I think it is important for us to have credible facts to contradict the 
rhetoric of those who would promulgate lies about the NFB in an effort to 
shore up their own points of view. I frequently hear the argument from those 
who don't really know what I do with the NFB that the Federation is anti 
guide dog. I advise them that I am the president of the National Association 
of Guide dog Users, a strong and proud division of the National federation 
of the Blind - a tag I especially like to use when discussing this issue,I 
then question them why the NFB would have such a division if they were anti 
guide dog. I also tell them that NAGDU is one of the fastest growing 
divisions in the NFB and is now recognized as the leader in service animal 
policy and advocacy in the United States.
    Here are some of the facts to support this claim. The National 
Association of Guide dog Users operates the NAGDU Information & Advocacy 
Hotline, a project that was seeded by a grant from the Imagination Fund. I 
ask them if they are aware that the reason miniature horses were left in the 
definition of a service animal by the DOJ as it published its new 
regulations was because the Board of Directors of the National Association 
of Guide dog Users made a public comment urging the DOJ to leave them in 
until the issue could be studied more since there were several individuals 
successfully using miniature horses as guides. (NAGDU was the only comment 
that made this appeal and these comments are a part of the public record.) 
NAGDU has been sought out by the Florida Agency for Health Care 
Administration, the Illinois Attorney General's Office, the California Board 
of Guide Dog Schools, several major hospitals, including Johns Hopkins in 
Baltimore, St. Anthony's in St. Petersburg, and the Transportation Security 
Administration for our expertise on issues related to guide dogs. This is 
only a small sampling of the work we have done in our twenty-five years.
    If the NFB is so anti guide dog, why is this division such a moving 
force? The answer is very clear! We are a moving force on issues of guide 
dogs because we are a strong and proud division of the NFB and the NFB is 
the strongest force in the affairs of the blind. It only makes sense! For 
more information about the National Association of Guide dog Users, a strong 
& proud division of the National Federation of the Blind, please visit our 
website at

HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG

Fraternally yours
Marion Gwizdala, President
National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
National Federation of the Blind
813-626-2789
President at NAGDU.ORG
HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article


> Chris,
>
> I found arguing with ACB leadership (and often with the rank and file as 
> well) about the benefit of the NFB to be a losing prospect.  The favored 
> tactic appears to be the straw man—they claim the NFB position is 
> something indefensible (even though it is not what they claim it is), and 
> then proceed to try and set fire to same for being so impossible.
>
> Did you know the NFB hates guide dogs and dog users?
> Did you know the NFB opposes descriptive audio?
> Did you know the NFB opposes folding or collapsible canes?
> Did you know the NFB demands that you cross streets unsafely?
> Did you know the NFB doesn't want you to know what your money is?
>
> None of the above statements are true.  Unless you're talking to the ACB 
> leadership, of course.  Then, not only are they true, but you cannot 
> question the validity of those accusations, offer a more accurate picture 
> of the facts, or defend the obviously indefensible views we supposedly 
> have!
>
> But please, don't take my word for it.  That's just the conclusion I came 
> to after trying to make some peace.  People warned me in both 
> organizations that no peace would be had, and the basic failure of 
> communication in common terms and (IMO) refusal to engage in honest debate 
> will ensure that the situation does not change in the foreseeable future.
>
> You may have success where I did not, but I won't be holding my breath or 
> anything.
>
> Joseph
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 03, 2011 at 12:58:28PM -0400, chris nusbaum wrote:
>>Hi Dave,
>>
>>Yeah... I know! It's so funny to me that the NFB just ignores the ACB
>>generally, but the ACB uses so much valuable Braille and print to bash
>>us (there, I said us.) I don't, by any means, promote the ACB on its
>>bashing of the NFB, and have very adamantly defended the Federation on
>>ACB lists, debating with people like Bob Acosta and Mitch Pomerantz.
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>On 9/3/11, Constance Canode <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> Me too, Gloria.  I was just trying to be a good person on this 
>>> list...smile.
>>> At 01:39 PM 9/2/2011, you wrote:
>>>>Sometimes I find it pretty hard to keep my mouth shut. Especially when I 
>>>>am
>>>>defending some one or the nfb.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Gloria Whipple
>>>>Corresponding Secretary
>>>>Inland Empire chapter
>>>>nfb of WA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>On
>>>>Behalf Of Constance Canode
>>>>Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:04
>>>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>
>>>>I am also offended.  Usually when I see his name, I ignore it because
>>>>I remember other instances where his writing and I would never agree,
>>>>so I just kept my mouth shut and ignored it.
>>>>
>>>>At 07:27 AM 9/2/2011, you wrote:
>>>> >No, no, no,. No one is directing their comments at the one who sent
>>>> >this article. The words are being directed to the member of this
>>>> >list who insists on bashing the federation and  putting us down for
>>>> >everything we do. I am glad to see that I am not the only one who is
>>>> >offended by his implications.
>>>> >
>>>> >As for the article itself, I think it had a lot of merit. None of
>>>> >this is directed at Chris at all.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Diane Graves
>>>> >Civil Rights Specialist
>>>> >Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>> >Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>> >317-232-2647
>>>> >
>>>> >"It is service that measures success."
>>>> >George Washington Carver
>>>> >
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>>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>>> >From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> >[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree Oudinot
>>>> >Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 11:25 PM
>>>> >To: Jeanette Fortin; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> >Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>> >
>>>> >Whoa guys, take a step back and look at what you're saying. While this
>>>> >may not be the place to discuss the ACB and its policies (I agree, it
>>>> >isn't) take into account this person's age. He's just a kid.
>>>> >Questioning is a normal and natural part of adolescent growth, and to
>>>> >stifle that is to stifle your own upbringing. Maybe that's what makes
>>>> >you all most comfortable...There are plenty of adults who would rather
>>>> >forget the discomfort of their formative years. But as a nearly
>>>> >22-year-old myself I feel I must speak in Chris's defense.
>>>> >
>>>> >On 9/1/11, Jeanette Fortin <jeanette at fortin-home.com> wrote:
>>>> > > you go girl, my thoughts exactly, jeanette
>>>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > > From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>> > > To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> > > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:14 PM
>>>> > > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >> This thread is very tiring, very frustrating and gets us no where. 
>>>> > >> So
>>>>if
>>>> > >> us
>>>> > >> NFB members never ask the tough questions, and look the other way.
>>>> > >> What
>>>> > >> was
>>>> > >> the illegal behavior your speaking of? I am pretty sure if there 
>>>> > >> was
>>>>any
>>>> > >> illegal behavior, we just as much any other person would ask the
>>>>"tough"
>>>> > >> questions. Not all of us just follow in line like zombies.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> If your so anti-NFB, why do you hang out here. Your welcome to 
>>>> > >> leave
>>>>any
>>>> > >> time. We would rather you go away. So our list can go back to 
>>>> > >> being
>>>> > >> constructive and productive. Oh wait that is right, we are all 
>>>> > >> lyres,
>>>>we
>>>> > >> allow illegal behavior, and follow like zombies. You can think 
>>>> > >> what
>>>> > >> you
>>>> > >> want. But this skirting around subjects does nothing. We are not
>>>> > >> going
>>>>to
>>>> > >> change our minds about what we think.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Marsha
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> > >> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> > >> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>On
>>>> > >> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>>>> > >> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:07 PM
>>>> > >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> > >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> hi,
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> no, i'm not accusing anyone, the event already happened.
>>>> > >> the point is don't ask tough questions unless you have thick skin.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Bryan Schulz
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > >> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>> > >> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> > >> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:49 PM
>>>> > >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>>I see, my mistake.
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> You aren't taking pot shots at the ACB without facts to back it 
>>>> > >>> up.
>>>>You
>>>> > >>> are taking pot shots at the NFB without facts.
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> It takes a lot of guts to come into an organization and start
>>>> > >>> accusing
>>>> > >>> its
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>> members of vaguely illegal activities without offering any 
>>>> > >>> specifics
>>>>or
>>>> > >>> evidence.  But I'm sure doing so will get you all the 
>>>> > >>> consideration
>>>> > >>> you're
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>> due.
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> And with that, I think I'm about finished with the discussion.
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> Joseph - KF7QZC
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 05:36:54PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>> > >>>>hi,
>>>> > >>>>
>>>> > >>>>no, i'm not talking about the acb but the point still applies.
>>>> > >>>>
>>>> > >>>>Bryan Schulz
>>>> > >>>>
>>>> > >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter"
>>>> > >>>><carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>> > >>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> > >>>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:09 PM
>>>> > >>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>> > >>>>
>>>> > >>>>
>>>> > >>>>>I suggest if that helps you maximize your involvement with and
>>>>benefit
>>>> > >>>>>from an organization, you find another organization.
>>>> > >>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>Perhaps though, we don't want to go down this road, or at least 
>>>> > >>>>>not
>>>>in
>>>> > >>>>>this fashion.  The ACB has in the past allowed its members to 
>>>> > >>>>>make
>>>> > >>>>>baseless, unsupported, and uncontested claims of illegal 
>>>> > >>>>>behavior
>>>> > >>>>> by
>>>>the
>>>> > >>>>>NFB.  It was rather off-putting, and I'd have thought so even if 
>>>> > >>>>>I
>>>>were
>>>> > >>>>>not a Federationist!  Indeed, it seems always to be so, in any
>>>> > >>>>>organization, whether or not I have any affiliation with 
>>>> > >>>>>anybody.
>>>> > >>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>If there's something new and recent that needs to be discussed
>>>>regarding
>>>> > >>>>>the ACB, we should probably do it, but in a new thread with the
>>>>relevant
>>>> > >>>>>details.  If it's a rehash of old wrongdoings by former 
>>>> > >>>>>officers, I
>>>> > >>>>>don't
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>>>>know how useful it would be to debate today.  It's like 
>>>> > >>>>>discussing
>>>> > >>>>> a
>>>> > >>>>>questionable action taken by Janet Reno while she worked for 
>>>> > >>>>>Bill
>>>> > >>>>>Clinton. Anyone personally affected would find it relevant, but
>>>>society
>>>> > >>>>>as a whole wouldn't be interested today.
>>>> > >>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>Sometimes the bad guys get away with it.  Usually when the good
>>>> > >>>>> guys
>>>> > >>>>>don't stand up to them until its too late.  But that takes me 
>>>> > >>>>>off
>>>> > >>>>> on
>>>>my
>>>> > >>>>>own tangent.
>>>> > >>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>Joseph - KF7QZC
>>>> > >>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 03:53:02PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>> > >>>>>>hi,
>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>there should be at least one more.
>>>> > >>>>>>#16. Don't ask tough questions even when a member does 
>>>> > >>>>>>something
>>>> > >>>>>>questionable and probably illegal.
>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>Bryan Schulz
>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum"
>>>> > >>>>>><dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>> > >>>>>>To: "NABS list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "Blind Talk list"
>>>> > >>>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "Gary Legates" 
>>>> > >>>>>><gary.legates at comcast.net>
>>>> > >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM
>>>> > >>>>>>Subject: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>>Hi everyone,
>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>>As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have
>>>> > >>>>>>> subscribed
>>>>to
>>>> > >>>>>>>both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum.  The Monitor, 
>>>> > >>>>>>>as
>>>>you
>>>> > >>>>>>>know, is the Federation (NFB's)  publication and the Forum is 
>>>> > >>>>>>>the
>>>> > >>>>>>>Council (or ACB's) publication.  I found a great article in
>>>> > >>>>>>> July's
>>>> > >>>>>>>Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize your ACB Membership,"
>>>>giving
>>>> > >>>>>>>fifteen tips on how to take advantage of all ACB (or any
>>>>organization,
>>>> > >>>>>>>for that matter) has to offer.  I think this could also apply 
>>>> > >>>>>>>to
>>>>the
>>>> > >>>>>>>Federation and to NABS or any other special-interest division,
>>>> > >>>>>>> and
>>>>is
>>>> > >>>>>>>some good advice.  To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in
>>>> > >>>>>>> parentheses
>>>>to
>>>> > >>>>>>>some parts of the article.  I have pasted the article below. 
>>>> > >>>>>>>Any
>>>> > >>>>>>>thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB 
>>>> > >>>>>>>down
>>>>your
>>>> > >>>>>>>throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to
>>>> > >>>>>>> learn
>>>> > >>>>>>>about both.  Here is the article.
>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>>15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP
>>>> > >>>>>>>by Kenneth Semien Sr.
>>>> > >>>>>>>All too often, people join organizations without taking
>>>> > >>>>>>>advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details 
>>>> > >>>>>>>of
>>>> > >>>>>>> its
>>>> > >>>>>>>purpose,
>>>> > >>>>>>>mission, and operating practices.  This can very well result 
>>>> > >>>>>>>in a
>>>>lack
>>>> > >>>>>>>of
>>>> > >>>>>>>participation and could ultimately result in a decision to
>>>> > >>>>>>> forfeit
>>>> > >>>>>>>what
>>>> > >>>>>>>could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build
>>>> > >>>>>>> great
>>>> > >>>>>>>relationships and effectively share personal skills and 
>>>> > >>>>>>>abilities
>>>>that
>>>> > >>>>>>>can
>>>> > >>>>>>>make an enormous difference.  In an effort to encourage you to
>>>>explore
>>>> > >>>>>>>the
>>>> > >>>>>>>meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed 
>>>> > >>>>>>>below
>>>> > >>>>>>> to
>>>> > >>>>>>>assist
>>>> > >>>>>>>you in being all you can be and help you join with others 
>>>> > >>>>>>>whose
>>>>skills
>>>> > >>>>>>>complement yours.
>>>> > >>>>>>>1.  Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions.
>>>> > >>>>>>>2.  Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by
>>>> > >>>>>>>reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others. 
>>>> > >>>>>>>In
>>>>turn
>>>> > >>>>>>>someone may realize that this is the organization they have 
>>>> > >>>>>>>been
>>>> > >>>>>>>looking
>>>> > >>>>>>>for.
>>>> > >>>>>>>3.  Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get 
>>>> > >>>>>>>involved.
>>>> > >>>>>>>4.  Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with
>>>> > >>>>>>>them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members 
>>>> > >>>>>>>you
>>>> > >>>>>>>observe
>>>> > >>>>>>>actively participating in events and projects associated with 
>>>> > >>>>>>>our
>>>> > >>>>>>>organization.
>>>> > >>>>>>>5.  Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your
>>>> > >>>>>>>chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization.
>>>> > >>>>>>>6.  Make every effort to participate in chapter, state 
>>>> > >>>>>>>affiliate
>>>> > >>>>>>>and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions.
>>>> > >>>>>>>7.  Inquire about available committees you may be able to 
>>>> > >>>>>>>serve
>>>> > >>>>>>>on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and
>>>>objectives.
>>>> > >>>>>>>Seek
>>>> > >>>>>>>to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and
>>>>abilities
>>>> > >>>>>>>in
>>>> > >>>>>>>the most effective and efficient manner.
>>>> > >>>>>>>8.  If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date
>>>> > >>>>>>>news and announcements from all levels of our organization. 
>>>> > >>>>>>>Ask
>>>> > >>>>>>> a
>>>> > >>>>>>>president
>>>> > >>>>>>>or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option.
>>>> > >>>>>>>9.  Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by 
>>>> > >>>>>>>our
>>>> > >>>>>>>organization on all levels.  This is one of the best ways to
>>>> > >>>>>>> learn
>>>> > >>>>>>>about
>>>> > >>>>>>>useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships,
>>>>awards,
>>>> > >>>>>>>and
>>>> > >>>>>>>upcoming projects and events.
>>>> > >>>>>>>10.  Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal
>>>> > >>>>>>>needs.  These groups provide you the opportunity to network 
>>>> > >>>>>>>with
>>>> > >>>>>>>others
>>>> > >>>>>>>sharing common interests, such as your prior or current
>>>> > >>>>>>> occupation,
>>>> > >>>>>>>hobbies,
>>>> > >>>>>>>health concerns and so much more.
>>>> > >>>>>>>11.  Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to 
>>>> > >>>>>>>learn
>>>> > >>>>>>>of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our
>>>> > >>>>>>>organization.
>>>> > >>>>>>>12.  Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming
>>>> > >>>>>>>familiar with officer titles and duties.
>>>> > >>>>>>>13.  Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge,
>>>> > >>>>>>>such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours 
>>>> > >>>>>>>conference
>>>>calls
>>>> > >>>>>>>with
>>>> > >>>>>>>the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group
>>>>calls.
>>>> > >>>>>>>14.  Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate 
>>>> > >>>>>>>and
>>>> > >>>>>>>our national organization.  You may locate information on the 
>>>> > >>>>>>>web
>>>>site
>>>> > >>>>>>>that
>>>> > >>>>>>>you didn't think of inquiring about.
>>>> > >>>>>>>15.  Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to 
>>>> > >>>>>>>do
>>>> > >>>>>>>the same.
>>>> > >>>>>>>The more you know and the more you become involved, the more 
>>>> > >>>>>>>you
>>>> > >>>>>>>will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal 
>>>> > >>>>>>>organization
>>>>that
>>>> > >>>>>>>is
>>>> > >>>>>>>continuing to grow.  Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure!
>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>>Chris Nusbaum
>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. 
>>>> > >>>>>>>The
>>>>real
>>>> > >>>>>>>problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>>> > >>>>>>> exists.
>>>>If
>>>> > >>>>>>>a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, 
>>>> > >>>>>>>blindness
>>>>can
>>>> > >>>>>>>be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>> > >>>>>>>(President
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>>>>>>of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>>Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at: 
>>>> > >>>>>>>www.icanfoundation.info
>>>>for
>>>> > >>>>>>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and 
>>>> > >>>>>>>visually
>>>> > >>>>>>>impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>>Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>> > >>>>>>>
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>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
>>problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
>>a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
>>be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan
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