[Blindtlk] braille printer questions
Steve Jacobson
steve.jacobson at visi.com
Fri Aug 24 19:11:30 UTC 2012
Mike,
I thought I was being pretty careful not to say how far the prices should go down, and no, I am not forgetting that the cost of
parts can rise and that R&D costs need to be distributed over time. I just don't have the same level of trust in the marketplace
that you do given some of the artificial factors that come into play when dealing with a subsidized small market, that's all. I
also want to be careful to say clearly that I know of nothing that Enabling Technology is doing wrong, only that I don't think we
are wrong to question pricing. This kind of equipment will always be more expensive than some of us can afford, and that doesn't
mean that anybody is doing anything wrong. I also don't think that it is wrong for agencies that are spending tax money on
equipment to expect that such equipment might contribute toward us paying more taxes.
Best regards,
Steve Jacobson
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:34:54 -0700, Mike Freeman wrote:
>Steve:
>It seems to me you're forgetting that companies have to amortize their costs
>and that specialty parts often become *more* expensive over time, not less.
>Mike
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 8:59 AM
>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>Mike and Ben,
>You guys know, I hope, that I agree with you that we have to realize that
>the price of some of the devices we use can't simply be
>set based upon what we can afford. There has to be enough profit to allow a
>company to provide support and develop their next
>products. However, I would raise a red flag that prices tend to be
>supported by what rehabilitation will pay, and I sometimes
>wonder about products that are sold year after year using the same
>technologies and mostly the same physical parts. While I do
>not believe that the companies who provide our equipment are putting away
>huge profits in Swiss bank accounts, I wonder if the
>support given by governments causes them to pay less attention to efficiency
>and the design of cheaper products. It should be
>acknowledged that prices have come down a good deal over the years for
>braille printers, especially if you look at price
>reductions together with the decreasing value of the dollar over time, but
>our small market together with the role of governments
>in purchasing a large percentage of the products produced makes this a
>somewhat artificial model.
>Best regards,
>Steve Jacobson
>On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:22:41 -0700, Mike Freeman wrote:
>>Amen, bro!
>>Mike
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:07 AM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>Mike and Listers,
>>Of course we aren't *entitled* to these things, and they are expensive to
>manufacture. Indeed, folks need to make money. So,
>that's why there are loan programs made available through organizations like
>ours and even private assistive technology
>foundations. If we can only get blind people paid fair wages at Goodwill and
>other places of employment, we can then pay off
>loans, etc. (grin.)
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:12 PM
>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>Whom *would* you suggest pay for it? People aren't producing these things
>out of the goodness of their hearts!
>>Mike
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Nikki
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:44 PM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>> That's what I did before posting my first post. I just can't believe
>they want 4500 for it. How do these companies expect the
>blind who don't work, pay for something like this? Pretty obsurd, if you ask
>me.
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Chris Nusbaum
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:12 PM
>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>Hi Judy and Nikki,
>>A quick Google search for Enabling Technologies will probably get you the
>information you need.
>>Chris
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Judy Jones
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:25 PM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>Hello,
>>I have the Juliet and love it; it really is a workhorse. It's the Juliet
>Pro 60. Enabling technologies sells them, but don't
>have a phone number handy.
>>Judy
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:43 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> Why would I want a "discontinued" braille embosser? Does that mean
>>> they don't make spare parts to fix it if it were to break?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:44 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hi Nikki,
>>>
>>> I have a Romeo Pro 50 at school and love it! I haven't heard the
>>> Juliet to say if it's any quieter than the Romeo, but the Romeo is very
>good.
>>>
>>> If you find the Romeo and Juliet embossers to be too expensive, you
>>> may want to check to see if anybody has one of the discontinued
>>> embossers such as a Braille Blazer which they would be willing to
>>> sell. I have a Blazer here at home, but don't use it anymore, so I
>>> would probably do well to get rid of the thing, but I'm not sure if
>>> I'm going to sell it or just give it away to a blind person in the
>>> area, probably the family of one of our younger blind kids.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry I couldn't offer more information, but I hope this helps you.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Nikki
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:19 PM
>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hi, Iâ¬"m looking for faster easier ways to braille other than using my
>>> Perkins. Iâ¬"ve heard of Romeo and Juliet, and how Juliet is quieter.
>>> Are they the best available product? Are they expensive? Am I able to
>>> find one inexpensively, and if so, where?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help you can share.
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