[Blindtlk] One thing I'm tired of

Sat Aug 25 23:27:35 UTC 2012

It is my experience that people who deal with Apple do know the VoiceOver, 
as it is an integrated part of the whole system.

Judy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] One thing I'm tired of

Well, you want your cake and to eat it too, as
they say.  Macs are generally bought either on
line or from an Apple store.  While there are
some dealers who resell them, who may give you a
demo, you will pay list price or better.  If you
live near an Apple store you can make an
appointment and go in and they will show
you.  Although I suspect they may not be that familiar with VoiceOver.

Dave

At 04:42 PM 8/25/2012, you wrote:
>    Ok. How can I get an in home demonstration of a mac book pro? I'm a 
> hands on learner. I can't sit here and listen to pod casts of people 
> talking about a product. In order for me to decide if it's something worth 
> pursueing, I would need to play with it. I'm not going to go to Best Buy 
> or another computer store to play. I'd rather do it in the comfort of my 
> home.
>
>-----Original Message----- From: Ray Foret Jr
>Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 2:24 PM
>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] One thing I'm tired of
>
>Well, first of all, A Mac mini is not a lap top.  IF it's a lap top you 
>want, I'd go with the Mac book or Mac book pro.  That will set you back a 
>bit.  To find out more, go here.
>www.apple.com.
>
>The one I used is the fifteen inch Mac book Pro.
>
>
>Sincerely,
>The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
>Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
>Skype name:
>barefootedray
>
>On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:07 PM, "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>   What is a Mac mini? Please fill me in on the features, compairing it to 
>> a regular laptop.
>>
>>-----Original Message----- From: Ray Foret Jr
>>Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 1:01 PM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] One thing I'm tired of
>>
>>Well, I don't know about more expensive.  You can get a Mac mini for just 
>>about $7.00 or so  and have Voice Over built in.  No more trying to get 
>>authorization keys, no more unstable behavior, no more exorbent prices 
>>that poor blind people can't pay.  But, there's another side to it. 
>>There's quite a learning curve.  Do not go in to this expecting the Mac to 
>>behave like windows.  It ain't gonna  happen.  It took me about two or 
>>three weeks to get my head around the concepts.  Very easy once you get 
>>used to it; but, be duely warned, it's not windows; and, you'll find 
>>yourself frustrated if you go in to this expecting windows-like behavior.
>>
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>
>>Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>
>>Skype name:
>>barefootedray
>>
>>On Aug 25, 2012, at 12:40 PM, "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>>
>>>I hear the Mac is a very good system, very stable, but also more 
>>>expensive than a Windows system.
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 11:32 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] One thing I'm tired of
>>>
>>>
>>>  Yeah. I didn't learn that until after the problems began.
>>>
>>>I started with Vista, then the laptop's mother board fried. I had to buy 
>>>a
>>>new laptop, but Windows 7 was all you could find. When I tried loading 
>>>the
>>>program, it wouldn't complete and say something like "this is an invalid
>>>platform. I was confused and didn't know what that meant. I called FS, 
>>>they
>>>told me to just download the 64 byte version and it will work. So, that's
>>>what I'm running on now.
>>>
>>>I would like to know what some of you computer tech guys think of macs 
>>>and
>>>the voice over. Is it better than windows OS and JAWS? Would it be smart 
>>>to
>>>go in that direction? How well does it work?
>>>
>>>-----Original Message----- From: David Andrews
>>>Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 11:48 AM
>>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] One thing I'm tired of
>>>
>>>JAWS 10 was never designed to work with Windows
>>>7.  This could be causing some of your problems.
>>>
>>>Dave
>>>
>>>At 11:09 PM 8/24/2012, you wrote:
>>>>Ok. Phew! I'm not the only one experiencing issues with JAWS not 
>>>>responding. I think it's a number of things with my computer. #1. I have 
>>>>JAWS 10 on a windows 7 laptop. #2. I let a friend talk me into 
>>>>downloading all these different programs that will help speed up my 
>>>>computer. It helped, but started causing problems. It is quite 
>>>>frustrating to hear a chimed dialog box but nothing is said. The other 
>>>>day, as it was starting up, it had a starting windows repair window open 
>>>>saying not to turn off or restart the computer, but JAWS didn't say 
>>>>that. My 7 year old son read it to me and asked me if I wanted him to 
>>>>close the window. The computer would have been sitting here with that 
>>>>window open and I would have been getting upset and worried that my 
>>>>computer wasn't starting up properly. Right now, I have a window open 
>>>>for an adobe flash player update, but I don't know how to get to it. 
>>>>Occasionally JAWS will say, "update ready to be installed" and that's 
>>>>it. I have issues with Fire Fox as well. Every time I open it, I have to 
>>>>use the "alt tab" command twice in order to use the program. Sometimes, 
>>>>when I hit the applications key and scroll up to "send to," it will stop 
>>>>talking before or just after I reach it. IDK if there is an auto correct 
>>>>in Word 2007, but, I'll be typing along and I'll want to go back, re 
>>>>read what I just typed, and somehow my sentences were broken up and 
>>>>rearranged. It does it in my email as well. I use Windows Live Mail 
>>>>because I don't know how to use gmail on the site. -----Original 
>>>>Message----- 
>>>>From: Sherry Gomes Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:31 PM To: 'Blind 
>>>>Talk Mailing List' Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] One thing I'm tired of I have 
>>>>that happen a lot with internet explorer 9, and it is the application, 
>>>>not jaws, because when everything starts up again, there's a message 
>>>>saying internet explorer stopped working. Outlook too, oh man, it hangs 
>>>>a lot, just freezes and locks up the whole darn computer, particularly 
>>>>first thing in the morning. -----Original Message----- From: 
>>>>blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>Behalf Of Mike Freeman Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 8:50 PM To: 'Blind 
>>>>Talk Mailing List' Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] One thing I'm tired of 
>>>>Perhaps the application you're using has stopped responding for some 
>>>>reason. I find this happens periodically in windows 7. 
>>>>Mike -----Original Message----- From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nikki Sent: Friday, 
>>>>August 24, 2012 7:27 PM To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org Subject: [Blindtlk] One 
>>>>thing I'm tired of     In the middle of a task, command, or navigating 
>>>>the net, JAWS just stops talking, sometimes with a stutter or short 
>>>>muffle. IDK what itï¿½s doing or why, but there are times when I end up 
>>>>turning offf or restarting. Sometimes I can get JAWS back on. Any 
>>>>thoughts as to why this is happening? 
>>>>_______________________________________________

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