[Blindtlk] Refusal To Use A Cane

Sun Dec 16 16:10:22 UTC 2012

Uh, yep; nice hot summer.  Down in these parts,  warm weather sometimes makes itself known about early February.

But, back to the cane.  Anybody see an article coming out of this?  I do.

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On Dec 16, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Michelle Medina <michellem86 at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's called hot summer days!! Smile.
> 
> On 12/16/12, Michelle Medina <michellem86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've never stepped on a bee (knock on wood), but I have walked on
>> hooooot sidewalks, stepped in Dog poo and ran over gravel! Lol.
>> 
>> On 12/16/12, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>> Aren't such incidents part of the American experience? (grin)
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Diane
>>> Graves
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 7:45 AM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Refusal To Use A Cane
>>> 
>>> Ray,
>>> 
>>> You must have some really tough feet. LOL I can't imagine being barefoot
>>> anywhere accept my house--unless I was at a pool or something, of course.
>>> Guess I stepped on a few too many bees as a kid, or walked on a few too
>>> many
>>> hot sidewalks. LOL
>>> 
>>> Diane Graves
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray
>>> Foret
>>> Jr
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 10:35 AM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Refusal To Use A Cane
>>> 
>>> And for me, the combination of using a cane and being barefooted (when
>>> possible) is a help.  Now, of course, I think it seems to be the case
>>> that
>>> we're all saying pretty much the same thing.  Seems to me that everyone
>>> who
>>> has posted on this topic seems to be of the view that force is most
>>> definently not the way to go with this.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Good morning, Peter, and all.
>>>> 
>>>> From what I here, the late Ben Underwood also chose not to use a cane
>>>> but
>>> relied on echolocation exclusively to get an image of his environment,
>>> so,
>>> let us not assume that what works for us, ought to work just as well for
>>> the
>>> next guy because,, as you know, an individual traveler will figure out
>>> what
>>> works for him and how best to implement such strategies. Personally, I
>>> rely
>>> on a combination of information that flows through a long, white stick as
>>> well as echolocation to further define what the stick tells me of my
>>> surroundings. Does said blind person's failure to use his cane make his
>>> mobility skills less affective than they are with cane? Can one tell a
>>> difference? Personally, I think sending the guy home in a cab without his
>>> doing what he came to do is extreme, particularly if he can manage just
>>> as
>>> well.
>>>> for today, Carly
>>>> 
>>>> is totally blind and absolutely
>>>>> refuses to use a cane. They recently showed up at our Christmas party
>>>>> and had to be helped in to and out of the meeting room we used for this
>>> event.
>>>>> Members were surprised when they discovered that this person showed
>>>>> up without their cane. When later questioned about this the person
>>>>> began giving us all manner of excuse. They told us that their
>>>>> neurologist and past O&M instructors recommended against the use of
>>>>> the cane due to this person's having seizures. This individual
>>>>> attended Perkins along with a number of other schools for the blind.
>>>>> I know for a fact that at least while at Perkins this individual
>>>>> lived in a cottage with another person who also has seizures and is
>>>>> one of the best travelers I know. Like this person, the confident
>>>>> cane user is totally blind and is someone I came to know well. The
>>>>> individual in question undoubtedly met many other successful blind
>>>>> cane users with other disabilities. I myself have seizures and sleep
>>> apnea and use both a cane and a dog depending on the situation.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   The individual refusing to use their cane has all ready been told
>>>>> by several members in the area that if they wish to visit them
>>>>> the/she must bring their cane and use it to get from their
>>>>> transportation in to our residence and if necessary use the cane during
>>> their visit.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   When attempting to reason with the person in question members have
>>>>> been accused of "Bullying" them and have heard all excuses in the
>>>>> book why he/she cannot use a cane proficiently. The individual has
>>>>> been told that neurologists are not qualified to determine whether or
>>>>> not the use of a travel aid can effect one's seizures. The evidence
>>>>> to the contrary is over whelmingly against this horsepuckey. As we
>>>>> also know not all blindness professionals have true belief in the
>>>>> capabilities of the blind. This individual obviously had a few such
>>>>> persons in their life to sell them short on their ability to travel
>>>>> independently and on the importance of using a cane or a dog. The
>>>>> individual has been told that if they show up at any of our homes
>>>>> without their cane we will call them a cab and promptly send them
>>>>> home at their expense something they can avoid simply by listening to
>>>>> reason and using their cane whenever traveling. We're busy people.
>>>>> The last thing we need to have to do is take someone to the emergency
>>>>> room when we know that an individual has complete disregard for their
>>>>> personal safety and as negligent. It seems like direct threat
>>>>> provisions of the ADA may apply in this situation where public venues
>>>>> are
>>> concerned. The lawyers can help us wit this one.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   We want to help this person achieve a higher degree of
>>>>> independence and be an active member of our chapter. While we won't
>>>>> prohibit them from joining us they'll be a more effective contributor
>>>>> to the cause if they would embrace the alternative techniques of
>>>>> blindness and use them regularly. Thanks for your help and suggestions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>> 
>>>>> "No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper."
>>>>> Isaiah 54:17
>>>>> 
>>>>> "While for our princes they prepare
>>>>> In caverns deep a burning snare,
>>>>> He shot from heaven a piercing ray,
>>>>> And the dark treachery brought to day."
>>>>> Anonymous
>>>>> 
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