[Blindtlk] Refusal To Use A Cane

Gary Wunder gwunder at earthlink.net
Tue Dec 18 19:49:05 UTC 2012 

Someone take a shot at an article. I am always interested.



-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray Foret
Jr
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 10:10 AM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Refusal To Use A Cane

Uh, yep; nice hot summer.  Down in these parts,  warm weather sometimes
makes itself known about early February.

But, back to the cane.  Anybody see an article coming out of this?  I do.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On Dec 16, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Michelle Medina <michellem86 at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's called hot summer days!! Smile.
> 
> On 12/16/12, Michelle Medina <michellem86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've never stepped on a bee (knock on wood), but I have walked on 
>> hooooot sidewalks, stepped in Dog poo and ran over gravel! Lol.
>> 
>> On 12/16/12, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>> Aren't such incidents part of the American experience? (grin)
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Diane Graves
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 7:45 AM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Refusal To Use A Cane
>>> 
>>> Ray,
>>> 
>>> You must have some really tough feet. LOL I can't imagine being 
>>> barefoot anywhere accept my house--unless I was at a pool or something,
of course.
>>> Guess I stepped on a few too many bees as a kid, or walked on a few 
>>> too many hot sidewalks. LOL
>>> 
>>> Diane Graves
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray 
>>> Foret Jr
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 10:35 AM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Refusal To Use A Cane
>>> 
>>> And for me, the combination of using a cane and being barefooted 
>>> (when
>>> possible) is a help.  Now, of course, I think it seems to be the 
>>> case that we're all saying pretty much the same thing.  Seems to me 
>>> that everyone who has posted on this topic seems to be of the view 
>>> that force is most definently not the way to go with this.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Good morning, Peter, and all.
>>>> 
>>>> From what I here, the late Ben Underwood also chose not to use a 
>>>> cane but
>>> relied on echolocation exclusively to get an image of his 
>>> environment, so, let us not assume that what works for us, ought to 
>>> work just as well for the next guy because,, as you know, an 
>>> individual traveler will figure out what works for him and how best 
>>> to implement such strategies. Personally, I rely on a combination of 
>>> information that flows through a long, white stick as well as 
>>> echolocation to further define what the stick tells me of my 
>>> surroundings. Does said blind person's failure to use his cane make 
>>> his mobility skills less affective than they are with cane? Can one 
>>> tell a difference? Personally, I think sending the guy home in a cab 
>>> without his doing what he came to do is extreme, particularly if he 
>>> can manage just as well.
>>>> for today, Carly
>>>> 
>>>> is totally blind and absolutely
>>>>> refuses to use a cane. They recently showed up at our Christmas 
>>>>> party and had to be helped in to and out of the meeting room we 
>>>>> used for this
>>> event.
>>>>> Members were surprised when they discovered that this person 
>>>>> showed up without their cane. When later questioned about this the 
>>>>> person began giving us all manner of excuse. They told us that 
>>>>> their neurologist and past O&M instructors recommended against the 
>>>>> use of the cane due to this person's having seizures. This 
>>>>> individual attended Perkins along with a number of other schools for
the blind.
>>>>> I know for a fact that at least while at Perkins this individual 
>>>>> lived in a cottage with another person who also has seizures and 
>>>>> is one of the best travelers I know. Like this person, the 
>>>>> confident cane user is totally blind and is someone I came to know 
>>>>> well. The individual in question undoubtedly met many other 
>>>>> successful blind cane users with other disabilities. I myself have 
>>>>> seizures and sleep
>>> apnea and use both a cane and a dog depending on the situation.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   The individual refusing to use their cane has all ready been 
>>>>> told by several members in the area that if they wish to visit 
>>>>> them the/she must bring their cane and use it to get from their 
>>>>> transportation in to our residence and if necessary use the cane 
>>>>> during
>>> their visit.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   When attempting to reason with the person in question members 
>>>>> have been accused of "Bullying" them and have heard all excuses in 
>>>>> the book why he/she cannot use a cane proficiently. The individual 
>>>>> has been told that neurologists are not qualified to determine 
>>>>> whether or not the use of a travel aid can effect one's seizures. 
>>>>> The evidence to the contrary is over whelmingly against this 
>>>>> horsepuckey. As we also know not all blindness professionals have 
>>>>> true belief in the capabilities of the blind. This individual 
>>>>> obviously had a few such persons in their life to sell them short 
>>>>> on their ability to travel independently and on the importance of 
>>>>> using a cane or a dog. The individual has been told that if they 
>>>>> show up at any of our homes without their cane we will call them a 
>>>>> cab and promptly send them home at their expense something they 
>>>>> can avoid simply by listening to reason and using their cane whenever
traveling. We're busy people.
>>>>> The last thing we need to have to do is take someone to the 
>>>>> emergency room when we know that an individual has complete 
>>>>> disregard for their personal safety and as negligent. It seems 
>>>>> like direct threat provisions of the ADA may apply in this 
>>>>> situation where public venues are
>>> concerned. The lawyers can help us wit this one.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   We want to help this person achieve a higher degree of 
>>>>> independence and be an active member of our chapter. While we 
>>>>> won't prohibit them from joining us they'll be a more effective 
>>>>> contributor to the cause if they would embrace the alternative 
>>>>> techniques of blindness and use them regularly. Thanks for your help
and suggestions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>> 
>>>>> "No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper."
>>>>> Isaiah 54:17
>>>>> 
>>>>> "While for our princes they prepare In caverns deep a burning 
>>>>> snare, He shot from heaven a piercing ray, And the dark treachery 
>>>>> brought to day."
>>>>> Anonymous
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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