[Blindtlk] Whether you think you can or can't!

Thu Jan 19 09:55:47 UTC 2012

Bryan,
    I actually enjoy reading your messages. They give me so much motivation, 
as they continually reinforce another great adage we use in the field of 
mental health counseling: Whether you think you can or you think you can't, 
you're right! The NFB thinks we can and we do!

Fraternally yours,
Marion

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] why is it important to joinan organizationofthe 
blind?


> hi,
>
> ray, the same has happened to me but nobody wants to talk about obtaining 
> insurance, collisions car on car or car on person and can the computer 
> really assess and avoid a swerve or red light runner in less than 1-2 
> seconds?
> nevermind the cost and public opposition ahead.
> Bryan Schulz
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Ray Foret Jr
>  To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>  Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:03 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] why is it important to joinan organizationofthe 
> blind?
>
>
>  Well, Mike, once again, you and I agree completely.  Look, I'm all for 
> the blind drivable car; however, I question the direction we seem to be 
> taking with it.  I'm not saying don't rely on the technology; but, we need 
> to seriously ask ourselves this.  What will we do when (not if mind you 
> but when) the technology fails?  I'm not going to name names here; but, 
> once I asked this question and got all but accused of being a trator.  No, 
> please don't ask me to tell who it was; for if so, I shan't.
>
>  I feel that we need to take a different approach with this.  I'd like to 
> see a solution that doesn't rely so much on the technology.  As I view the 
> picture, it's not the technology which will allow a lbind person to drive. 
> It's a matter of getting information.  So, these are the points from which 
> I would start.
>
>  1.  How much information is so much information that a quick decition 
> cannot be made while driving?
>
>  2.  How little information is too little to make a quick decition while 
> driving?
>
>  3.  How can the right ammount of information be aquired and how can it be 
> done as simply as possible?  I fear that too much reliance on the 
> technology alone will truly set back the goal of a blind person driving. 
> In short, do not rely only on the technology.  Find better alternative 
> ways of getting the information you need.
>
>
>  Sincerely,
>  The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
>  Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
>  Skype name:
>  barefootedray
>
>  Facebook:
>  facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>
>
>
>  On Jan 18, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:
>
>  > Debbie:
>  >
>  > I'm not Bryan, but ...
>  >
>  > I am concerned that any time anyone expresses skepticism re the
>  > blind-drivable car, he/she is automatically accused of not having 
> faith, of
>  > not being visionary, of not daring to dream, etc. Well, just as there 
> are
>  > plenty of humanists and atheists who are good peple and who have 
> contributed
>  > much to this country (the protests of the religious to the contrary
>  > notwithstanding), there are many skeptics (including me) who are loyal
>  > Federationists but who at the very least think that in our enthusiasm 
> for
>  > the blind-drivable car, we are foolishly minimizing the difficulties 
> (most
>  > but not all of which are social/legal rather than technical). We 
> shouldn't
>  > be accused of lack of orthodoxy or disloyalty simply because we choose 
> to
>  > see the cup as half-empty rather than half-full.
>  >
>  > Although I remain skeptical that the blind-drivable car will come to
>  > fruition in my lifetime (I'm ... lessee ... 63), I think the research 
> may
>  > have many other benefits and ... I could be wrong. But I think we, the 
> NFB,
>  > aren't putting *nearly* the resources and thought into other aspects of 
> the
>  > problem such as legal and social impediments to blind-drivable cars 
> that we
>  > should be doing. To me, that's not nay-saying; that's common sense. And 
> we
>  > haven't even considered the problem of what we are to do when we reach 
> our
>  > destinations, still ignorant im many cases of the environment we will 
> face.
>  >
>  > Part of my difficulty is that, even in the realm of science fiction, I
>  > expect the universe to be logically worked-out so that there are no 
> logical
>  > inconsistencies and such that everything implies or can be extrapolated 
> from
>  > everything else. I think we should plan foreign policy, domestic policy 
> and
>  > everything else with this consistency in mind. I fear me greatly that 
> we of
>  > NFB aren't doing this wrt the blind-drivable car.
>  >
>  > Bottom line: we need both optimists and dreamers and pessimists that 
> say:
>  > "hey! Wait a minute!" in order to craft the wisest policies.
>  >
>  > What would I do differently? Not much. But I think we're going to have 
> to
>  > put *far* more effort into making software and devices than our 
> leadership
>  > and most of the membership believes. We're beginning to discuss this on 
> the
>  > Computer Science list and in the R&D Committee.
>  >
>  > In summation, I think we should proceed full speed ahead. But I think 
> we
>  > should have a very clear-eyed, gloss-over-nothing view of what we're
>  > tackling.
>  >
>  > Mike
>  >
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On
>  > Behalf Of Debbie Wunder
>  > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 6:59 PM
>  > To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>  > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] why is it important to join an 
> organizationofthe
>  > blind?
>  >
>  > Hi, well it seems to me if explorers before us did not believe in 
> flight,
>  > telegraph, telephone, penecillan etc... where would we be?
>  >
>  > I am interested to hear what your thoughts are about what our goals 
> shold
>  > be?
>  >
>  > Debbie
>  > ----- Original Message ----- 
>  > From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>  > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>  > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 8:06 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] why is it important to join an 
> organizationofthe
>  > blind?
>  >
>  >
>  >> hi,
>  >>
>  >> there's a difference in shooting for goals and waiting for pie in the 
> sky
>  >> technology.
>  >>
>  >> Bryan Schulz
>  >>
>  >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>  >> From: Sheila Leigland
>  >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>  >> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 7:47 PM
>  >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] why is it important to join an organization 
> ofthe
>  >
>  >> blind?
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Hello all, I've heard about doses of reality. If I and my husband had
>  >> bought in to this kind of logic, we never would have gone to college,
>  >> gotten married, raised our son, and worked. If I had listened to the
>  >> advice of everyone we wouldn't have taken ourselves and our son to the 
> nfb
>  >
>  >> convention in 1996 from Montana by train and went to disneyland 
> without
>  >> sighted assistance our son was eight at the time so although he could 
> see
>  >> we were very much in control of the situation. Dreams and goals can be
>  >> crushed by to much so called reality. It doesn't mean that we don't 
> try to
>  >
>  >> plan out things but we aren't afraid to try.
>  >>
>  >> sheila leigland
>  >>
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