[Blindtlk] why is it important tojoinan organizationofthe blind?

Thu Jan 19 14:08:36 UTC 2012

You keep talking about technology as it is today. By the time that
blind-drivable cars are a reality, technology as we know it today, will be
more advanced, more intuitive and better than it is today.

I read about the google car and the only accident that it has had is when
someone ran a redlight and ran into the back of the car. That could happen
to anyone.

Technology is not a protection against careless or negligence and as long as
sighted people have accidents, accidents will happen to the blind and
sighted people alike.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:21 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] why is it important tojoinan organizationofthe
blind?

hi,

ray, the same has happened to me but nobody wants to talk about obtaining
insurance, collisions car on car or car on person and can the computer
really assess and avoid a swerve or red light runner in less than 1-2
seconds?
nevermind the cost and public opposition ahead.
Bryan Schulz

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Ray Foret Jr
  To: Blind Talk Mailing List
  Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] why is it important to joinan organizationofthe
blind?

  Well, Mike, once again, you and I agree completely.  Look, I'm all for the
blind drivable car; however, I question the direction we seem to be taking
with it.  I'm not saying don't rely on the technology; but, we need to
seriously ask ourselves this.  What will we do when (not if mind you but
when) the technology fails?  I'm not going to name names here; but, once I
asked this question and got all but accused of being a trator.  No, please
don't ask me to tell who it was; for if so, I shan't.  

  I feel that we need to take a different approach with this.  I'd like to
see a solution that doesn't rely so much on the technology.  As I view the
picture, it's not the technology which will allow a lbind person to drive.
It's a matter of getting information.  So, these are the points from which I
would start.

  1.  How much information is so much information that a quick decition
cannot be made while driving?

  2.  How little information is too little to make a quick decition while
driving?

  3.  How can the right ammount of information be aquired and how can it be
done as simply as possible?  I fear that too much reliance on the technology
alone will truly set back the goal of a blind person driving.  In short, do
not rely only on the technology.  Find better alternative ways of getting
the information you need.

  Sincerely,
  The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

  Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

  Skype name:
  barefootedray

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  On Jan 18, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:

  > Debbie:
  >
  > I'm not Bryan, but ...
  >
  > I am concerned that any time anyone expresses skepticism re the
  > blind-drivable car, he/she is automatically accused of not having faith,
of
  > not being visionary, of not daring to dream, etc. Well, just as there
are
  > plenty of humanists and atheists who are good peple and who have
contributed
  > much to this country (the protests of the religious to the contrary
  > notwithstanding), there are many skeptics (including me) who are loyal
  > Federationists but who at the very least think that in our enthusiasm
for
  > the blind-drivable car, we are foolishly minimizing the difficulties
(most
  > but not all of which are social/legal rather than technical). We
shouldn't
  > be accused of lack of orthodoxy or disloyalty simply because we choose
to
  > see the cup as half-empty rather than half-full.
  >
  > Although I remain skeptical that the blind-drivable car will come to
  > fruition in my lifetime (I'm ... lessee ... 63), I think the research
may
  > have many other benefits and ... I could be wrong. But I think we, the
NFB,
  > aren't putting *nearly* the resources and thought into other aspects of
the
  > problem such as legal and social impediments to blind-drivable cars that
we
  > should be doing. To me, that's not nay-saying; that's common sense. And
we
  > haven't even considered the problem of what we are to do when we reach
our
  > destinations, still ignorant im many cases of the environment we will
face.
  >
  > Part of my difficulty is that, even in the realm of science fiction, I
  > expect the universe to be logically worked-out so that there are no
logical
  > inconsistencies and such that everything implies or can be extrapolated
from
  > everything else. I think we should plan foreign policy, domestic policy
and
  > everything else with this consistency in mind. I fear me greatly that we
of
  > NFB aren't doing this wrt the blind-drivable car.
  >
  > Bottom line: we need both optimists and dreamers and pessimists that
say:
  > "hey! Wait a minute!" in order to craft the wisest policies.
  >
  > What would I do differently? Not much. But I think we're going to have
to
  > put *far* more effort into making software and devices than our
leadership
  > and most of the membership believes. We're beginning to discuss this on
the
  > Computer Science list and in the R&D Committee.
  >
  > In summation, I think we should proceed full speed ahead. But I think we
  > should have a very clear-eyed, gloss-over-nothing view of what we're
  > tackling.
  >
  > Mike
  >
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
  > Behalf Of Debbie Wunder
  > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 6:59 PM
  > To: Blind Talk Mailing List
  > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] why is it important to join an organizationofthe
  > blind?
  >
  > Hi, well it seems to me if explorers before us did not believe in
flight,
  > telegraph, telephone, penecillan etc... where would we be?
  >
  > I am interested to hear what your thoughts are about what our goals
shold
  > be?
  >
  > Debbie
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
  > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
  > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 8:06 PM
  > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] why is it important to join an organizationofthe
  > blind?
  >
  >
  >> hi,
  >>
  >> there's a difference in shooting for goals and waiting for pie in the
sky
  >> technology.
  >>
  >> Bryan Schulz
  >>
  >> ----- Original Message -----
  >> From: Sheila Leigland
  >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
  >> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 7:47 PM
  >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] why is it important to join an organization
ofthe
  >
  >> blind?
  >>
  >>
  >> Hello all, I've heard about doses of reality. If I and my husband had
  >> bought in to this kind of logic, we never would have gone to college,
  >> gotten married, raised our son, and worked. If I had listened to the
  >> advice of everyone we wouldn't have taken ourselves and our son to the
nfb
  >
  >> convention in 1996 from Montana by train and went to disneyland without
  >> sighted assistance our son was eight at the time so although he could
see
  >> we were very much in control of the situation. Dreams and goals can be
  >> crushed by to much so called reality. It doesn't mean that we don't try
to
  >
  >> plan out things but we aren't afraid to try.
  >>
  >> sheila leigland
  >>
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