[Blindtlk] A Definition of Kool-aid
Chris Nusbaum
dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Sun Jan 22 01:53:58 UTC 2012
Well I can't speak for everybody on this list, but I think the
majority of us don't have problems with asking the tough
questions, even if it is about NFB; we have a right to do that,
don't we?
Chris
"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:11:29 -0600
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] A Definition of Kool-aid
hi,
i never had any issue with you. the issue is with the posters
who won't allow the least little bit of questioning the nfb as a
real question or just playing devil's advocate what if scenario.
Bryan Schulz
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Nusbaum
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] A Definition of Kool-aid
Hey Bryan,
I'm sorry for the misunderstanding here; I and other people
took
your statement the wrong way, so I apologize for my
misunderstanding. You're right about my age. Again, I'm sorry
for the misunderstanding and totally understand what you're
saying. I'm pretty easy-going too, so don't let what I've been
saying fool you, as I took it the wrong way. I've just heard
that stuff said a lot of times; that the NFB is a cult. Are we
cool now? :)
Chris
"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.
The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:05:19 -0600
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] A Definition of Kool-aid
Chris,
I promise i was not hoping you would drink poison.
this thread further proves nobody can even attempt to be
anything
other than strict and stiff on these lists and god forbid i
offer
a statement whether as a theory or just as playing devil's
advocate as we all know it results in sniper fire.
i was thinking of your level of enthusiasm and a naive degree
observed in messages similar to a young kid hopped up on sugary
kool-aid as it seems you are most likely in high school and
haven't had to face the cold back stabbing working world yet.
I'm kind of like an easy going blue collar guy that is trying
to
make it somehow and may have a beer after coming home from the
plant. Then there are the suits who pretend they can tell the
difference of a wine by smelling the cork, think their dung
doesn't stink and don't give a thought for the common man.
If that's not good enough, kick me off the list.
Bryan Schulz
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Nusbaum
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] A Definition of Kool-aid
Bryan,
Based on Gary's explanation (and I talked with him about this
on
the phone yesterday as well,) although you may not have
thought
of yourself serving us poison-laced cool-aid (and I seriously
doubt you did think about it,) the use of the "Cool-Aid Man"
analogy connotes the opinion that the organization you are
speaking of (in this case, the NFB) is a cult, like
Jonestown.
This connotation is what Gary is talking about.
Now, let's go back to your explanation of your cool-aid
statement
in response to Gary's message. You said you were just saying
that (and I quote your message in response to Gary's)
"different
people like different drinks. Some people like cool-aid,
some
beer, some sniff the cork and have wine. There are different
intensities to things." OK, let's just assume for the sake of
argument that that explanation is a true/legitimate one. But
this would raise some confusion still. If that's what you
really
meant, then how could it make sense to ask (and I directly
quote
your message from yesterday which started all of this) "is
there
also a picture of the kool-aid man on those stickers," when
talking about the NFB bumper stickers? According to the
"original
message" headers that your email provider puts in your
emails,
you responded to my post saying "I'll have one of those
stickers." This was in response to Rex Howard's post which
said:
"See you out on the highways, Chris! I'll program my car to
honk
at people with NFB bumper stickers!" So, if anybody (like me)
read just two or three lines below where you signed your name
in
the email, we would find what "stickers" you were referring
to;
those of the Federation. So, with all that said, how does
your
explanation clearly and truly explain what you were saying in
the
context of the NFB's bumper stickers? What do people's drink
preferences have to do with pictures on the NFB bumper
stickers?
I think a clearer explanation is in order; until then, I
still
agree with Gary.
Chris Nusbaum
"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.
The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education
that
exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:09:08 -0600
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] A Definition of Kool-aid
hi,
regardless of shollow or not, i swear i had not even thought
of
serving poison laced kool-aid.
Bryan Schulz
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Foret Jr
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] A Definition of Kool-aid
Sorry, but, to speak frankly, I don't buy that explanation.
I
do not believe that is at all an adequate answer to what Gary
is
asking for. Very shallow indeed; if, that is, you have no
better
answer.
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
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On Jan 18, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
hi,
sorry, no, i'm not saying the nfb is a cult.
some people like kool-aid, some like beer, some sniff the
cork
and have wine.
there's just different intensities to things.
Bryan Schulz
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Wunder
To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 4:01 PM
Subject: [Blindtlk] A Definition of Kool-aid
Rex and Chris, I am disappointed to have to tell you the
answer, for the
comment should never have been made. I believe it was 1978
when Jim Jones
convinced his followers to commit suicide after he killed a
United States
congressman who was on an investigatory trip to Jones Town.
My
memory is
that there were 900 followers. Jones gave them Kool-Aid
laced
with poison
and ordered them to drink it. Those reluctant to drink
were
reportedly shot.
Bryan's remark then is meant to refer to people so docile,
so
cult-like, and
so unthinking that they would willingly forfeit their lives
based on what
one man told them to do. We are here accused of being an
unthinking cult for
the simple reason that some of us have expressed the hope
and
belief that
one day we may find a technological solution allowing us to
drive and have
put some of our resources into making it come true.
Bryan, if this is not what you meant, then I offer to you
my
profound
apology and stand ready to hear your explanation. If it is
indeed what you
meant and we call you on this utterly disrespectful and
indefensible remark,
I hope you will apologize. If it is what you meant, you
will
probably see
yourself as martyred, blasted, or otherwise persecuted, but
this is not a
remark I can take casually and explain to others that you
are
a
fine guy but
a little rough around the edges. Freedom of speech is no
justification for
the total disregard your comment displays. Neither should
freedom of speech
insulate you from the consequences that may come from your
mean-spirited
remark. I no longer care to argue to those who write me
off
list that they
should understand and that you are really a fine guy with a
temper and a
cynical attitude that sometimes is off-putting; this last
comment of yours
is more than an exploration of a philosophy; it is an
indictment of good
people who work in unity to make your life and our own just
a
bit better.
Let the moderators do as they will regarding your
participation.
Gary
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