[Blindtlk] A Definition of Kool-aid

Bryan Schulz b.schulz at sbcglobal.net
Sun Jan 22 00:11:29 UTC 2012


hi,

i never had any issue with you. the issue is with the posters who won't allow the least little bit of questioning the nfb as a real question or just playing devil's advocate what if scenario.

Bryan Schulz

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Chris Nusbaum 
  To: Blind Talk Mailing List 
  Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 3:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] A Definition of Kool-aid


  Hey Bryan,

  I'm sorry for the misunderstanding here; I and other people took 
  your statement the wrong way, so I apologize for my 
  misunderstanding.  You're right about my age.  Again, I'm sorry 
  for the misunderstanding and totally understand what you're 
  saying.  I'm pretty easy-going too, so don't let what I've been 
  saying fool you, as I took it the wrong way.  I've just heard 
  that stuff said a lot of times; that the NFB is a cult.  Are we 
  cool now? :)

  Chris

  "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
  real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
  exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
  opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
  nuisance."
  -- Kenneth Jernigan

   ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net
  To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:05:19 -0600
  Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] A Definition of Kool-aid

  Chris,

  I promise i was not hoping you would drink poison.
  this thread further proves nobody can even attempt to be anything 
  other than strict and stiff on these lists and god forbid i offer 
  a statement whether as a theory or just as playing devil's 
  advocate as we all know it results in sniper fire.

  i was thinking of your level of enthusiasm and a naive degree 
  observed in messages similar to a young kid hopped up on sugary 
  kool-aid as it seems you are most likely in high school and 
  haven't had to face the cold back stabbing working world yet.
  I'm kind of like an easy going blue collar guy that is trying to 
  make it somehow and may have a beer after coming home from the 
  plant.  Then there are the suits who pretend they can tell the 
  difference of a wine by smelling the cork, think their dung 
  doesn't stink and don't give a thought for the common man.
  If that's not good enough, kick me off the list.

  Bryan Schulz

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Chris Nusbaum
    To: Blind Talk Mailing List
    Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 7:48 PM
    Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] A Definition of Kool-aid


    Bryan,

    Based on Gary's explanation (and I talked with him about this 
  on
    the phone yesterday as well,) although you may not have thought
    of yourself serving us poison-laced cool-aid (and I seriously
    doubt you did think about it,) the use of the "Cool-Aid Man"
    analogy connotes the opinion that the organization you are
    speaking of (in this case, the NFB) is a cult, like Jonestown.
    This connotation is what Gary is talking about.

    Now, let's go back to your explanation of your cool-aid 
  statement
    in response to Gary's message.  You said you were just saying
    that (and I quote your message in response to Gary's) 
  "different
    people like different drinks.  Some people like cool-aid, some
    beer, some sniff the cork and have wine.  There are different
    intensities to things." OK, let's just assume for the sake of
    argument that that explanation is a true/legitimate one.  But
    this would raise some confusion still.  If that's what you 
  really
    meant, then how could it make sense to ask (and I directly 
  quote
    your message from yesterday which started all of this) "is 
  there
    also a picture of the kool-aid man on those stickers," when
    talking about the NFB bumper stickers? According to the 
  "original
    message" headers that your email provider puts in your emails,
    you responded to my post saying "I'll have one of those
    stickers." This was in response to Rex Howard's post which 
  said:
    "See you out on the highways, Chris! I'll program my car to 
  honk
    at people with NFB bumper stickers!" So, if anybody (like me)
    read just two or three lines below where you signed your name 
  in
    the email, we would find what "stickers" you were referring to;
    those of the Federation.  So, with all that said, how does your
    explanation clearly and truly explain what you were saying in 
  the
    context of the NFB's bumper stickers? What do people's drink
    preferences have to do with pictures on the NFB bumper 
  stickers?
    I think a clearer explanation is in order; until then, I still
    agree with Gary.

    Chris Nusbaum

    "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  
  The
    real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
    exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
    opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
    nuisance."
    -- Kenneth Jernigan

     ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net
    To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
    Date sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:09:08 -0600
    Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] A Definition of Kool-aid

    hi,

    regardless of shollow or not, i swear i had not even thought of
    serving poison laced kool-aid.

    Bryan Schulz

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Ray Foret Jr
      To: Blind Talk Mailing List
      Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:57 PM
      Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] A Definition of Kool-aid


      Sorry, but, to speak frankly, I don't buy that explanation.  
  I
    do not believe that is at all an adequate answer to what Gary 
  is
    asking for.  Very shallow indeed; if, that is, you have no 
  better
    answer.


      Sincerely,
      The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

      Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

      Skype name:
      barefootedray

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      On Jan 18, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:

     hi,

     sorry, no, i'm not saying the nfb is a cult.
     some people like kool-aid, some like beer, some sniff the cork
    and have wine.
     there's just different intensities to things.

     Bryan Schulz

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Gary Wunder
      To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
      Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 4:01 PM
      Subject: [Blindtlk] A Definition of Kool-aid


      Rex and Chris, I am disappointed to have to tell you the
    answer, for the
      comment should never have been made.  I believe it was 1978
    when Jim Jones
      convinced his followers to commit suicide after he killed a
    United States
      congressman who was on an investigatory trip to Jones Town.  
  My
    memory is
      that there were 900 followers.  Jones gave them Kool-Aid 
  laced
    with poison
      and ordered them to drink it.  Those reluctant to drink were
    reportedly shot.

      Bryan's remark then is meant to refer to people so docile, so
    cult-like, and
      so unthinking that they would willingly forfeit their lives
    based on what
      one man told them to do.  We are here accused of being an
    unthinking cult for
      the simple reason that some of us have expressed the hope and
    belief that
      one day we may find a technological solution allowing us to
    drive and have
      put some of our resources into making it come true.

      Bryan, if this is not what you meant,  then I offer to you my
    profound
      apology and stand ready to hear your explanation.  If it is
    indeed what you
      meant and we call you on this utterly disrespectful and
    indefensible remark,
      I hope you will apologize.  If it is what you meant, you will
    probably see
      yourself as martyred, blasted, or otherwise persecuted, but
    this is not a
      remark I can take casually and explain to others that you are 
  a
    fine guy but
      a little rough around the edges.  Freedom of speech is no
    justification for
      the total disregard your comment displays.  Neither should
    freedom of speech
      insulate you from the consequences that may come from your
    mean-spirited
      remark.  I no longer care to argue to those who write me off
    list that they
      should understand and that you are really a fine guy with a
    temper and a
      cynical attitude that sometimes is off-putting; this last
    comment of yours
      is more than an exploration of a philosophy; it is an
    indictment of good
      people who work in unity to make your life and our own just a
    bit better.
      Let the moderators do as they will regarding your
    participation.

      Gary



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