[Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?

Fri Apr 5 13:10:46 UTC 2013

Thanks David and Mike!

Julie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:28 PM
To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?

As David says, it's done by T S A. I found out when I went to check in at
the Alaska counter. I managed to get on board but it was quite a hassle. I
went through this for several years and then one flight, I was mysteriously
no longer on the no-fly list. I never did figure out what was going on.

I once asked Senator Cantwell's office if she could help me get off the
no-fly list and was told that the late Senator Edward Kennedy was on one for
a while and even *he* couldn't figure out how he got on it nor how to get
off it.

As I say, I always managed to gget on the planes but only after getting the
nth degree.

Mike Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 2:46 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?

What does it mean to be on a "no fly" list?  Is this an airline thing or a
government security thing?  Are there lists for each airline or a single
list for all of them?  And how do you find out you've been put on one, do
you find out when you try to purchase tickets or at the gate or what?

I don't fly that often, maybe once a year.  I don't foresee doing something
that would get me the boot, but I am very curious about this.  I had no idea
there was such a thing.

Thanks!
Julie

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 3:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?

I was on a no-fly list and never found out why.

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Apr 4, 2013, at 11:17, "Hyde, David W. (ESC)"
<david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us> wrote:

> Peter, being one of those who was involved directly in the problem, I
> agree with a lot of what you said. If you will remember though, the
> reason that Steve and Nadine, Jim Gashel, and others were not put on a
> no fly list, was because there wasn't one.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter
> Donahue
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:16 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>
> Hello David and everyone,
>
>    This whole exit row business is what caused the controversy in the
> 1980s and 1990s and this despite documented cases of blind individuals
> seated in exit rows successfully assisting passengers to safety. As
> for fires on the wing if you put your hand on the window and it's
> hotter than normal obviously there's a fire outside the aircraft.
> Better not open that door.
> Those idiots forget that if you can feel the heat of the sun from 93
> million miles away being able to determine if there's a fire on the
> wing is a no-brainer. Some of our members who are on some of these
> lists went to jail for demanding their right to sit in over-wing exit
> rows but were not put on the no-fly list. Read past issues of The
> Braille Monitor published in the 1980s and early 1990s for the whole
story.
>
> Peter Donahue who is glad it will soon be possible to fly privately
> and avoid some of the controversies blind air travelers have had to
> put up with over the years including the right to sit in exit rows as
> with most private jets there's only one  door in to and out of the plane.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 6:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> I totally agree.Also if you need to exit the aircraft out the
> emergency exit, you must not have your cane extended as it could put a
> hole in the slide or life raft.
> I use a "D-ring" clip on the handle of my cane so I can clip it to a
> belt loop on my side and leave my hands free and to make it easier to
> handle my guide dog.
> By the way, the policy for exiting the plane in an emergency with your
> guide dog is to go to the exit, pick up your guide dog in your arms
> and then jumpand land in a sitting position, on to the slide, with
> your dog in your arms.
> I can tell you right now and that is not going to happen with my guide
> dog as he weights 120 pounds.
> I plan on distracting him and pushing him out ahead of me or have
> someone

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