[Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?

Fri Apr 5 17:00:27 UTC 2013

Good morning, Daniel and David,

God help the poor guide dog who get's its ass drug into 0 Gravity, 
upon presumptive and overly egotistical, human whims! Here I thought 
dragging an enslaved pooch onto a  water ride was venturing over the 
top! Happy Friday! Car 11:10 AM 4/4/2013, Hyde, David W. (ESC) wrote:
>I must agree with Peter, ask Mark Riccobono. Having said that, and 
>being a science fiction buff for a very long time, I have given it a 
>bit of thought. In large open areas, it would be expedient to string 
>lines through the space to facilitate everyone's movement. It would 
>be wise to keep one surface clear of obstacles, and that way, it 
>would be possible to use a cane or other device to follow it along. 
>I would not recommend a dog guide in this situation unless of course 
>it were specially trained.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Garcia
>Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 8:41 AM
>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>Subject: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The 
>Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>
>How would blind people deal with zero G or low G environments?I 
>would imagine it would be difficult. One of those great things about 
>gravity is that you can use it to tap your cane and that you don't 
>fly off in any unknown direction.
>
>Daniel
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Evans
>Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 12:03 AM
>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>
>
>Dear Mike,
>
>I still have hope for indoor navigation apps as long as I can get 
>direction, position location, distance and points of interest 
>information and maybe a audio description of the area, its shape, 
>size and location of Poi's within it, it may give me enough info to 
>go on instead of using a sighted guide.
>If I can find my gate, know if it is on the left or right, ahead of 
>me or behind me, how far and maybe have a method of telling me if I 
>am veering off cores to the left or right, it could work for me.
>Afterall, I never thought that we would see a way that we could use 
>a touch screen interface either until Apple did it with the I-Phone.
>Now I use one.  See you can teach an old dog new tricks as long as 
>he is willing to learn and has an open mind.
>I think that one day we will have the technology that will guide us 
>around every good as sighted people do now.
>I know that cars can and will be able to drive themselves and that 
>Blind people will own and use them someday.
>I have seen many amazing things happen in my lifetime and I just 
>hope that I live to see us land people on Mars and have a base on the Moon.
>Heck, I would like to live to be a tourist to the Moon, just to see 
>how my Lunar Rovers have held up to the elements of space since they 
>were parked for the last time after Apollo Missions 15, 16 and 17.
>
>David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:33 PM
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>
>
> > David:
> >
> > I'm one of those doubting Thomases who thinks indoor mapping iPhone
> > apps won't be nearly as useful as many people think.
> >
> > We shall see.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David
> > Evans
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 8:24 PM
> > To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
> >
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> >
> > I was a cane driver for some 25 years, but now use a guide dog as my
> > main travel tool, However.I have had airport personnel grab hold of my
> > cane before, in an attempt to lead me  or prevent me from making
> > contact with someone or something.
> > I tell them that it is the same as putting their hand over my "eyes"
> > and to please stop it and if there is something I need to be aware of,
> > just to say something, but do not grab my cane unless they want to
> > wear it as a nose stopper.
> > I try to educate people first and be polite, but if they do not learn
> > fast, I have a way of speeding up their education.
> > I have rights and I have dignity and I will not let anyone take them
> > away from me without a fight or a reeducation.
> > Most airline people are afraid or very respectful of my guide dog as
> > they still buy into the idea that he is also trained as a attack dog
> > if some one gives me a hard time and I am not working that hard to
> > change their minds if they are doing a bad job of helping me.
> > I can hardly wait until the indoor navigation app for my I-Phone is ready.
> > I am sure that airports will be one of the places that they make
> > accessible.
> >
> > David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Tardif" <markspark at roadrunner.com>
> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
> >
> >
> >> Oh, you've had that happen too, have you?  One really has to wonder
> >> when that happens why the person doing it doesn't realize immediately
> >> how undignified that feels.  The cane is not a leash, or a tether, or
> >> a pole attaching two people.  I just gently grab it back and tell the
> >> person, "No, that's okay, I'm fine."  One of those situations where
> >> we ask the Lord to please give us strength and patience.
> >>
> >> Mark Tardif
> >> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Daniel Garcia
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 1:51 PM
> >> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
> >>
> >> Bonnie:
> >>
> >> Another thing that annoys me is when I am walking beside a sighted
> >> family member or friend and they grab the came because there are
> >> people coming the other direction. The whole point of the cane is for
> >> it to find things. I don't swing my cane with such force that I would
> >> hurt anyone, but they can't help but grab my cane.
> >>
> >> Sigh.......
> >>
> >> Daniel
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Bonnie Ainsworth
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:15 PM
> >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
> >>
> >> Those of us who are cane users feel the same way, Daniel.  I won't
> >> let anyone take my cane from me.
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Daniel Garcia" <dangarcia3 at hotmail.com>
> >> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:32 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, I am sure a blind pilot could be instrument verified if the
> >> cokpit was accessible. I am sure there could even be a way to land
> >> the thing.
> >>
> >> When you say I can have my cane stored in fuselage, does that mean
> >> next to me in my seat? If these people are so concerned about safety,
> >> I feel safer with my cane at all times. My cane is like an American
> >> Express Card, I never leave home without it.
> >>
> >>
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