[Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE:The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?

Fri Apr 5 21:36:24 UTC 2013

I never doubted it. Now just think of how much fun it will be picking up after your gecodore.

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From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Evans
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 4:15 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE:The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?

Dear All,

Forgive my sense of humor.
I can just see a guide dog now, trying to "swim" inside the space craft.
We will have to cross breed them with gecgo lizards so that they have little suction cups on the bottoms of their paws, so that they can stick to the walls, floors and ceilings of the space craft or stick out an enormously long tongue to grab ahold of something to pull themselves, and us, aroungd.
I told you I have a sense of humor!.

David Evans, NFBF and GD  Jack.
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David
> Evans
>>Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 12:41 PM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The
>>Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>
>>Dear all,
>>
>>Zero Gravity?
>>What are you guys smoking?
>>
>>Using a guide dog in space would be most impractical.
>>For any long term space travel, some form of artificial gravity will
>>be a must.
>>The human body begins dropping out calcium due to the lack of gravity
>>and bone loss is a major issue.
>>A human space traveler on a long space flight will lose some much bone
>>that bones will break and he will be unable to stand or even use his
> arms.
>>For long space flights, we will need to design space craft that spin
>>or roll to use centrifugal force as a form of artificial gravity to
>>help prevent bone loss.
>>The Blind space traveler will need various forms of technology to help
>>him keep his orientation and direction as a guide dog or even a cane
>>will be nearly useless, on board the space craft,  as I see it now.
>>At least until his feet are back on the ground.
>>
>>I do have confidence in the enginenuity of my fellow blind brothers
>>and sisters, who I am sure will figure out a way to adapt and overcome
>>as they always have in the past.
>>
>>David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>>Retired Nuclear/Aerospace Materials Engineer Builder of the Lunar
>>Rovers and the F-117 Stealth Fighter.
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Carly Mihalakis" <carlymih at comcast.net>
>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "'Blind Talk
>>Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 1:00 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The
>>Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>
>>
>> > Good morning, Daniel and David,
>> >
>> > God help the poor guide dog who get's its ass drug into 0 Gravity,
>> > upon presumptive and overly egotistical, human whims! Here I
>> > thought dragging an enslaved pooch onto a  water ride was venturing
>> > over the top! Happy Friday! Car 11:10 AM 4/4/2013, Hyde, David W. (ESC) wrote:
>> >>I must agree with Peter, ask Mark Riccobono. Having said that, and
>> >>being a science fiction buff for a very long time, I have given it
>> >>a bit of thought. In large open areas, it would be expedient to
>> >>string lines through the space to facilitate everyone's movement.
>> >>It would be wise to keep one surface clear of obstacles, and that
>> >>way, it would be possible to use a cane or other device to follow
>> >>it along. I would not recommend a dog guide in this situation
>> >>unless of course it were
>> specially trained.
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >>Daniel Garcia
>> >>Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 8:41 AM
>> >>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> >>Subject: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The
>> >>Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >>
>> >>How would blind people deal with zero G or low G environments?I
>> >>would imagine it would be difficult. One of those great things
>> >>about gravity is that you can use it to tap your cane and that you
>> >>don't fly off in any unknown direction.
>> >>
>> >>Daniel
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >>David Evans
>> >>Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 12:03 AM
>> >>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> >>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Dear Mike,
>> >>
>> >>I still have hope for indoor navigation apps as long as I can get
>> >>direction, position location, distance and points of interest
>> >>information and maybe a audio description of the area, its shape,
>> >>size and location of Poi's within it, it may give me enough info to
>> >>go on instead of using a sighted guide.
>> >>If I can find my gate, know if it is on the left or right, ahead of
>> >>me or behind me, how far and maybe have a method of telling me if I
>> >>am veering off cores to the left or right, it could work for me.
>> >>Afterall, I never thought that we would see a way that we could use
>> >>a touch screen interface either until Apple did it with the I-Phone.
>> >>Now I use one.  See you can teach an old dog new tricks as long as
>> >>he is willing to learn and has an open mind.
>> >>I think that one day we will have the technology that will guide us
>> >>around every good as sighted people do now.
>> >>I know that cars can and will be able to drive themselves and that
>> >>Blind people will own and use them someday.
>> >>I have seen many amazing things happen in my lifetime and I just
>> >>hope that I live to see us land people on Mars and have a base on the Moon.
>> >>Heck, I would like to live to be a tourist to the Moon, just to see
>> >>how my Lunar Rovers have held up to the elements of space since
>> >>they were parked for the last time after Apollo Missions 15, 16 and 17.
>> >>
>> >>David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> >>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:33 PM
>> >>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > David:
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm one of those doubting Thomases who thinks indoor mapping
>> >> > iPhone apps won't be nearly as useful as many people think.
>> >> >
>> >> > We shall see.
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >> > David Evans
>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 8:24 PM
>> >> > To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Dear All,
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I was a cane driver for some 25 years, but now use a guide dog
>> >> > as my main travel tool, However.I have had airport personnel
>> >> > grab hold of my cane before, in an attempt to lead me  or
>> >> > prevent me from making contact with someone or something.
>> >> > I tell them that it is the same as putting their hand over my "eyes"
>> >> > and to please stop it and if there is something I need to be
>> >> > aware of, just to say something, but do not grab my cane unless
>> >> > they want to wear it as a nose stopper.
>> >> > I try to educate people first and be polite, but if they do not
>> >> > learn fast, I have a way of speeding up their education.
>> >> > I have rights and I have dignity and I will not let anyone take
>> >> > them away from me without a fight or a reeducation.
>> >> > Most airline people are afraid or very respectful of my guide
>> >> > dog as they still buy into the idea that he is also trained as a
>> >> > attack dog if some one gives me a hard time and I am not working
>> >> > that hard to change their minds if they are doing a bad job of helping me.
>> >> > I can hardly wait until the indoor navigation app for my I-Phone
>> >> > is ready.
>> >> > I am sure that airports will be one of the places that they make
>> >> > accessible.
>> >> >
>> >> > David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Mark Tardif" <markspark at roadrunner.com>
>> >> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:07 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Oh, you've had that happen too, have you?  One really has to
>> >> >> wonder when that happens why the person doing it doesn't
>> >> >> realize immediately how undignified that feels.  The cane is
>> >> >> not a leash, or a tether, or a pole attaching two people.  I
>> >> >> just gently grab it back and tell the person, "No, that's okay,
>> >> >> I'm fine."  One of those situations where we ask the Lord to
>> >> >> please give us
>> strength and patience.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Mark Tardif
>> >> >> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: Daniel Garcia
>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 1:51 PM
>> >> >> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bonnie:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Another thing that annoys me is when I am walking beside a
>> >> >> sighted family member or friend and they grab the came because
>> >> >> there are people coming the other direction. The whole point of
>> >> >> the cane is for it to find things. I don't swing my cane with
>> >> >> such force that I would hurt anyone, but they can't help but grab my cane.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sigh.......
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Daniel
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> >> >> Of Bonnie Ainsworth
>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:15 PM
>> >> >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Those of us who are cane users feel the same way, Daniel.  I
>> >> >> won't let anyone take my cane from me.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: "Daniel Garcia" <dangarcia3 at hotmail.com>
>> >> >> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:32 AM
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Well, I am sure a blind pilot could be instrument verified if
>> >> >> the cokpit was accessible. I am sure there could even be a way
>> >> >> to land the thing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> When you say I can have my cane stored in fuselage, does that
>> >> >> mean next to me in my seat? If these people are so concerned
>> >> >> about safety, I feel safer with my cane at all times. My cane
>> >> >> is like an American Express Card, I never leave home without it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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