[Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environmentswas RE:The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?

Wed Apr 17 03:09:57 UTC 2013

That hybrid of a dog with the lizard was very funny! It also sounds like the 
stuff that could help make the next big fantisy novel.
Kendra
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us>
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Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environmentswas RE:The 
Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?


>I never doubted it. Now just think of how much fun it will be picking up 
>after your gecodore.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David 
> Evans
> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 4:15 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE:The 
> Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> Forgive my sense of humor.
> I can just see a guide dog now, trying to "swim" inside the space craft.
> We will have to cross breed them with gecgo lizards so that they have 
> little suction cups on the bottoms of their paws, so that they can stick 
> to the walls, floors and ceilings of the space craft or stick out an 
> enormously long tongue to grab ahold of something to pull themselves, and 
> us, aroungd.
> I told you I have a sense of humor!.
>
> David Evans, NFBF and GD  Jack.
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David
>> Evans
>>>Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 12:41 PM
>>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The
>>>Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>>
>>>Dear all,
>>>
>>>Zero Gravity?
>>>What are you guys smoking?
>>>
>>>Using a guide dog in space would be most impractical.
>>>For any long term space travel, some form of artificial gravity will
>>>be a must.
>>>The human body begins dropping out calcium due to the lack of gravity
>>>and bone loss is a major issue.
>>>A human space traveler on a long space flight will lose some much bone
>>>that bones will break and he will be unable to stand or even use his
>> arms.
>>>For long space flights, we will need to design space craft that spin
>>>or roll to use centrifugal force as a form of artificial gravity to
>>>help prevent bone loss.
>>>The Blind space traveler will need various forms of technology to help
>>>him keep his orientation and direction as a guide dog or even a cane
>>>will be nearly useless, on board the space craft,  as I see it now.
>>>At least until his feet are back on the ground.
>>>
>>>I do have confidence in the enginenuity of my fellow blind brothers
>>>and sisters, who I am sure will figure out a way to adapt and overcome
>>>as they always have in the past.
>>>
>>>David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>>>Retired Nuclear/Aerospace Materials Engineer Builder of the Lunar
>>>Rovers and the F-117 Stealth Fighter.
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Carly Mihalakis" <carlymih at comcast.net>
>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "'Blind Talk
>>>Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 1:00 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The
>>>Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>>
>>>
>>> > Good morning, Daniel and David,
>>> >
>>> > God help the poor guide dog who get's its ass drug into 0 Gravity,
>>> > upon presumptive and overly egotistical, human whims! Here I
>>> > thought dragging an enslaved pooch onto a  water ride was venturing
>>> > over the top! Happy Friday! Car 11:10 AM 4/4/2013, Hyde, David W. 
>>> > (ESC) wrote:
>>> >>I must agree with Peter, ask Mark Riccobono. Having said that, and
>>> >>being a science fiction buff for a very long time, I have given it
>>> >>a bit of thought. In large open areas, it would be expedient to
>>> >>string lines through the space to facilitate everyone's movement.
>>> >>It would be wise to keep one surface clear of obstacles, and that
>>> >>way, it would be possible to use a cane or other device to follow
>>> >>it along. I would not recommend a dog guide in this situation
>>> >>unless of course it were
>>> specially trained.
>>> >>
>>> >>-----Original Message-----
>>> >>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> >>Daniel Garcia
>>> >>Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 8:41 AM
>>> >>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> >>Subject: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The
>>> >>Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>> >>
>>> >>How would blind people deal with zero G or low G environments?I
>>> >>would imagine it would be difficult. One of those great things
>>> >>about gravity is that you can use it to tap your cane and that you
>>> >>don't fly off in any unknown direction.
>>> >>
>>> >>Daniel
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>-----Original Message-----
>>> >>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> >>David Evans
>>> >>Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 12:03 AM
>>> >>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> >>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>Dear Mike,
>>> >>
>>> >>I still have hope for indoor navigation apps as long as I can get
>>> >>direction, position location, distance and points of interest
>>> >>information and maybe a audio description of the area, its shape,
>>> >>size and location of Poi's within it, it may give me enough info to
>>> >>go on instead of using a sighted guide.
>>> >>If I can find my gate, know if it is on the left or right, ahead of
>>> >>me or behind me, how far and maybe have a method of telling me if I
>>> >>am veering off cores to the left or right, it could work for me.
>>> >>Afterall, I never thought that we would see a way that we could use
>>> >>a touch screen interface either until Apple did it with the I-Phone.
>>> >>Now I use one.  See you can teach an old dog new tricks as long as
>>> >>he is willing to learn and has an open mind.
>>> >>I think that one day we will have the technology that will guide us
>>> >>around every good as sighted people do now.
>>> >>I know that cars can and will be able to drive themselves and that
>>> >>Blind people will own and use them someday.
>>> >>I have seen many amazing things happen in my lifetime and I just
>>> >>hope that I live to see us land people on Mars and have a base on the 
>>> >>Moon.
>>> >>Heck, I would like to live to be a tourist to the Moon, just to see
>>> >>how my Lunar Rovers have held up to the elements of space since
>>> >>they were parked for the last time after Apollo Missions 15, 16 and 
>>> >>17.
>>> >>
>>> >>David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.----- Original Message -----
>>> >>From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> >>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:33 PM
>>> >>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > David:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I'm one of those doubting Thomases who thinks indoor mapping
>>> >> > iPhone apps won't be nearly as useful as many people think.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > We shall see.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Mike
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>>> >> > From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> >> > David Evans
>>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 8:24 PM
>>> >> > To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> >> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Dear All,
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I was a cane driver for some 25 years, but now use a guide dog
>>> >> > as my main travel tool, However.I have had airport personnel
>>> >> > grab hold of my cane before, in an attempt to lead me  or
>>> >> > prevent me from making contact with someone or something.
>>> >> > I tell them that it is the same as putting their hand over my 
>>> >> > "eyes"
>>> >> > and to please stop it and if there is something I need to be
>>> >> > aware of, just to say something, but do not grab my cane unless
>>> >> > they want to wear it as a nose stopper.
>>> >> > I try to educate people first and be polite, but if they do not
>>> >> > learn fast, I have a way of speeding up their education.
>>> >> > I have rights and I have dignity and I will not let anyone take
>>> >> > them away from me without a fight or a reeducation.
>>> >> > Most airline people are afraid or very respectful of my guide
>>> >> > dog as they still buy into the idea that he is also trained as a
>>> >> > attack dog if some one gives me a hard time and I am not working
>>> >> > that hard to change their minds if they are doing a bad job of 
>>> >> > helping me.
>>> >> > I can hardly wait until the indoor navigation app for my I-Phone
>>> >> > is ready.
>>> >> > I am sure that airports will be one of the places that they make
>>> >> > accessible.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> > From: "Mark Tardif" <markspark at roadrunner.com>
>>> >> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:07 PM
>>> >> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Oh, you've had that happen too, have you?  One really has to
>>> >> >> wonder when that happens why the person doing it doesn't
>>> >> >> realize immediately how undignified that feels.  The cane is
>>> >> >> not a leash, or a tether, or a pole attaching two people.  I
>>> >> >> just gently grab it back and tell the person, "No, that's okay,
>>> >> >> I'm fine."  One of those situations where we ask the Lord to
>>> >> >> please give us
>>> strength and patience.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Mark Tardif
>>> >> >> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> >> From: Daniel Garcia
>>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 1:51 PM
>>> >> >> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Bonnie:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Another thing that annoys me is when I am walking beside a
>>> >> >> sighted family member or friend and they grab the came because
>>> >> >> there are people coming the other direction. The whole point of
>>> >> >> the cane is for it to find things. I don't swing my cane with
>>> >> >> such force that I would hurt anyone, but they can't help but grab 
>>> >> >> my cane.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Sigh.......
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Daniel
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> >> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> >> >> Of Bonnie Ainsworth
>>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:15 PM
>>> >> >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Those of us who are cane users feel the same way, Daniel.  I
>>> >> >> won't let anyone take my cane from me.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> >> From: "Daniel Garcia" <dangarcia3 at hotmail.com>
>>> >> >> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:32 AM
>>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Well, I am sure a blind pilot could be instrument verified if
>>> >> >> the cokpit was accessible. I am sure there could even be a way
>>> >> >> to land the thing.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> When you say I can have my cane stored in fuselage, does that
>>> >> >> mean next to me in my seat? If these people are so concerned
>>> >> >> about safety, I feel safer with my cane at all times. My cane
>>> >> >> is like an American Express Card, I never leave home without it.
>>> >> >>
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